(7) Philip Zinckernagel

Discussion in 'The Team Bus' started by Hogg-DEENEY!!!, Jan 26, 2021.

  1. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    He was sloppy with the breakaway and giving a free kick away in a dangerous position but agreed he naturally picks up decent positions. Could of had an assist for Gosling as you say and nearly got on the scoresheet too.
     
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  2. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    I think that UEA's image shows that Zinc was probably not offside for the goal. If it was a close run thing, then he timed it just right, didn't he?

    We do have a propensity on this forum to judge new players far too early, and his crime last week was he gave some fans the opportunity to spot something to complain about as he scored in a 6-0 win.

    Last night, many of our players lost possession or gave the ball away in the last frantic 10 minutes, with Hughes missing 2/3 easy passes out of defence. Yet the only player criticised for it is Zinc, with judgemental comments like "he's not up to it".

    Instead of starting with a default "he's no good" stance, and then looking at everything with a confirmation bias trying to spot stuff, I think we should give our players a chance to settle in to a new country, a new division, a new team, and support them rather than rush to judge them.
     
  3. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    Don't talk sense or about the clear cut chance he made. Let's talk about a pass that was cut out by a defender.

    Also, talk more about a goal he scored and laughably claim it was offside like it's some way to prove your point that you're obsessing about.

    That's how it works round here Lou.
     
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  4. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Awful again. We were nicely seeing it the game at the end by keeping possession then this greedy qunt had a dreadful shot and they go up the other end and put us under extreme pressure for the last few minutes.

    A dud.
     
  5. Clearly signed as a replacement for Sarr. If he starts, who do we drop? Sarr? Sema? One of our 3 midfielders ? Best option at the moment seems to be a late sub for tired legs.
     
  6. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    Still think he'll prove to be a good signing, and looks more suited to the PL, but if he did end up being Sarr's replacement in January, we'd have been buggered
     
  7. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    I don't think it helps coming on for the last 15 mins. He's not used to the league and the pace of it but never gets the time to try and get in the game. Unfortunately we're not in a position to experiment so he will have to wait for his chance.
     
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  8. EB Hornet

    EB Hornet Reservist

    I don’t think he was awful yesterday, actually I was pleased with his contribution, he got stuck in and actually won the ball in the tackles he did. Thought he worked a lot harder today on the defensive aspect. He’s clearly a very technically gifted player, some of his little touches and passes are intelligent and forward thinking.

    Don’t want to write him off from a handful of minutes at the end of games and a couple of specific moments.

    Would like to see how he does on the right with Kiko working with him. Problem with that is an obvious one - that would mean Sarr not playing or changing position and that’s not happening bar an injury / suspension (touch wood doesn’t happen)

    I think if he is going to work that hard as he did yesterday then he should be given a few starts on the left and allow Sema a rest.
     
  9. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    He was free.

    Andre Gray cost £18m. Pound for pound he’s one of our best players.
     
  10. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    He's certainly not one of our worst.

    Needs game time for us to really judge his quality as a championship player.
     
  11. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Reservist

    Only Wycombe you might say, but his first league start and he did look classy. Looks like he might get a run in the team now too, keep it up Phil!
     
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  12. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Sema has been poor for weeks. Drop him.
     
  13. RS2

    RS2 First Year Pro

    Lightweight though innit.
     
  14. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    I don't know what more he could of done yesterday. Out of position again but put a good shift in. Hit some great first time passes, got stuck in, doesn't mind a potshot, quality assist. He tired obviously but was good to see him out on the pitch.
     
  15. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Our Buendia. Once he gets fully up to speed I expect we will see fireworks. The quality is clearly there.
     
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  16. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Can I dare to say Abdi esq :eek:
     
  17. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    Totally agree, mistakes made in cameo sub appearances, mean nothing. He was a little wasteful at times yesterday too, but he definitely has enough quality for us. I think he'll get better, and if we get promoted, think the Prem may suit him more.
     
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  18. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    You can forgive the wasteful parts with an assist like that, plus the pinpoint first time pass putting Sarr away. He offers something we dont have.
     
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  19. RS2

    RS2 First Year Pro

    His touch and close control is superb. Brilliant runs into the final third yesterday as well. His final ball didn't always come off for him but he made up for that with an excellent assist. Considering it was an unfamiliar position for him I think he was excellent, just what we need against teams who sit back against us.
     
  20. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Fabulous performance. Great delivery on his crosses and free kick. Such fluidity in the midfield. Lovely touches passing through the legs of the opposition and won the ball back a couple of times. Settling in nicely and improving game on game.
     
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  21. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    He's ace. Imagine thinking he was shyte...
     
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  22. I Blame Bassett

    I Blame Bassett Squad Player

    Perhaps he will be moved to the right in place of Sarr on Saturday?
    Very glad to see him improve each game.
     
  23. luke_golden

    luke_golden Space Cadet

    Cross for the Sarr goal was sublime.
     
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  24. LeedsOrn

    LeedsOrn First Year Pro

    It seems that, even while playing him more centrally, we’ve realised that his delivery from wide areas in line with the edge of the box is extremely potent. Clearly a number of our corner routines were designed to create those crossing positions.

    Small sample size but he now has one goal and three assists in 504 mins. So a goal involvement every 126 mins.

    Sarr has 9 goals and 9 assists (per Transfermarkt, so including penalties won) in 2924 mins = a goal involvement every 162 mins. Sema 4+5 - one every 287 mins. And Pedro 9+2 - one every 199 mins.

    We’re starting to see why/how he put up such crazy numbers at Bodo/Glimt. His professionalism/attitude is clearly superb too - to come into such a physical league and be played out of position in a role with considerable physical/defensive demands and excel is just superb. What a guy.
     
  25. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    He was excellent yesterday. Involved in the first three goals and is always looking forward when he can. Have to add that he's out of position again but is really putting a shift in. Really happy for him. Nate, Zinc and Hughes look absolutely class in the middle at the moment.
     
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  26. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    From the WatfordAnalyst on Twitter Zinky's efforts against the Millers. Kiko and Sarr operate pretty much as an excellent tandem whereas Sema rarely gets Adam on the overlap although in recent matches you can see both fullbacks pushed high up the pitch making a five in midfield.

    Zinckernagel occupied the left during much of the match combining very well with Sema showing he has the necessary flexibility to operate there. White arrows are non completed passes, yellow completed ones and the two direct assists with the length of the pass indicated.

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