Nigel Pearson - Sacked

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Harrow Orn, Jul 17, 2020.

  1. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    I genuinely wouldn’t be against taking the captaincy of Deeney now and sticking a fork in the sand.

    He’s not fit. He not good enough. And he shouldn’t have been rolled out tonight as if he was.
    Joao Pedro up top against City with Hughes as captain. Watch us post game interview - the lad cares and is clearly furious. We need to harness that as him caring about the club and not letting it go down the route of wanting to leave because no one else cares.

    Tonight is the first time I’ve genuinely felt we could not just go down, but we could ‘fall’...we could be a Huddersfield or a Charlton.

    Make the harsh changes now that are needed to keep us up. Deeney out, Hughes captain.
     
  2. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    It's a nice dream, a completely logical one even, but due to the way this club is run and the power Deeney clearly has there is absolutely 0% chance of it happening.
     
  3. wfcwarehouse

    wfcwarehouse First Team Captain

    Great post.
     
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  4. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    I’m slightly torn on this. If Pearson was in charge from day one this season we’d be comfortably mid table, I mean we only need three more points to be safe so it wouldn’t have taken much more than Javi/QSF would it? We’d just be another bang average inconsistent hot and cold PL side fighting it out with palace and Everton.

    But he wasn’t in charge from the start. He’s done very well to get us where we are, but it doesn’t excuse some of the things that have happened. We were warned by Leicester fans he doesn’t have a plan B and is slow to react, well that much is very clear. Those subs yesterday were a joke. The only explanation for them would be to protect our GD, but that’s ********. That ship has sailed, we now need a win in our last two games so GD is irrelevant. A point was actually saveable last night with the right subs, just ******* go for it for god sake, what did we have to lose??
     
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  5. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    Really? Are you sure?
     
  6. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Yes. After losing by two goals if we lose by the minimum 1 goal in our final two games, if Bournemouth win a game by just one goal they’ll have a better GD
     
  7. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    Pearson may or may not be the answer to our coaching needs in the future, but his record since he came here, if extended backwards to the start of the season, would have kept us up with relative ease.
     
  8. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    Oh, OK. What if they lose the other match by more goals, though?
     
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  9. The signs were there last season if the ***** clapping and cheering the football equivalent of sexual assault at Wembley were paying attention.

    None of this is Pearsons fault he's done well with the hand he's been dealt.

    I don't want Pearson out because of what he's done or not done, but because I don't think he's the right guy for what is to come. This team needs a full rebuild and that is going to take time, we're going to lose any player of any value and be left with some clapped out garbage, some promising youngsters, and huge debt.

    I also want Giraldi out.

    Off pitch the challenge will be finding a new financial stability with a fraction of PL revenue.

    On pitch we need a manager who can adapt and bring fresh ideas to a squad that is going to be in constant flux for the next 12 months. A manager who is excited about having, developing, and playing youth.

    Capoue is 32. No one is coming in for him with big money. Make him captain and build a youthful side around him. Set out to play entertaining expansive football. Give a path to prospects like Quina and Lo-Everton.

    Sometimes you have to step back to go forwards. If the right approach is taken now this can be one of those times. Watford FC is forever.

    (That's the end of my rousing speech)
     
  10. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Well I think losing by two last night is probably the most stupid thing we could’ve done really, just not losing should’ve been a priority. Once the margin was two/three we should’ve just gone for it. Having a plus 2 GD on Bournemouth is now pretty pointless, they need to better us by a win which is an automatic 2 goal swing. They’ve scored more so would stay up if level with us on GD. Yes they could lose their other game by more, but equally so could we and given our opponents I’d say that’s pretty much a certainty.
     
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  11. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    I agree with everything apart from making Capoue captain. He couldn’t care less about playing football let alone Watford.
     
  12. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    I'd say we were close to agreement.
     
  13. Capoue has been one of our better players for the last 3 seasons

    Without him last night our midfield was like a vacuum
     
  14. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    If muff and Villa both lose or draw their final two games we are safe. Problem is, all the sides they have have f all to play for. Citee will probably want to finish well and Arsenal have an outside sniff of European football.

    None of what has gone on since August is NP's overall fault. Blame lies with retiring the tool QSF who stood on the sidelines arms in pockets playing with a water bottle.
     
  15. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Capoue is a very talented player who loves playing for us because it’s easy and there is no real pressure on him. He didn’t have the mental strength to make it at Spurs because he didn’t want to. He likes to be a big fish in a small pond and IMO that doesn’t make him captain material.
     
  16. Well he's about to move down in pond size so that will work out nicely.
     
  17. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Not if Bournemouth lose their other game.
     
  18. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    If we lose both our games by one goal and they win and lose by one goal they stay up, that’s a two goal swing and they’ve scored more goals.
     
  19. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Good point.

    The worst thing would be to get relegated on gd and Muff staying up.

    We need a point from somewhere. To do that the team have to actually start playing before they concede. We're probably going down. The quicker we get used to the idea, the less painful it will be.
     
  20. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    100% agree, as far as I’m concerned we’re about 98.5% down, anything else is a bonus. If we lose both games I’d say we’re certainly down, a draw and we have a chance but after last nights performance I can’t even begin to imagine how we’d get that point.

    Bournemouth are playing well and have two relatively easy games, if they don’t stay up at our expense it will be a miracle.
     
  21. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    The only thing I’d question about Bournemouth is whether they’ll stutter now the finishing line is in sight? Arguably their last three games, certainly the last two, have been in free hit territory given how far back they were. Now as you say they have some expectation back on them. Will be interesting to see if that affects their approach.
     
  22. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    Agree. Pearson is nowhere near the biggest problem we’ve got, but he’s essentially got three main jobs under the Pozzos.

    1. Motivate the players. We look far less motivated than the other relegation threatened teams and are awful in first halves. Fail.

    2. Pick our best starting 11. One leg Deeney starts despite some horrendous form. We play Sarr up front without any other pace, so even when he gets in behind he has no one to cross to. Fail.

    3. Make effective subs. Despite the limited options available, he waits until far too late. Fail.

    What has he done well?
     
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  23. Oscar calling

    Oscar calling Squad Player

    Pearson has to be the first person shown the door preferably before the Man City game. Put Haydn Mullins in charge for the last two games.

    We all know that to get out of the Championship you have to battle for 46 games, so you need a younger squad with fighting quality, physical strength and stamina with perhaps just a couple of "luxury players". A totally different type of manager is needed, one that can motivate, encourage and organise the team.

    Looking outside the box, would Gareth Ainsworth be such a bad idea. He led Wycombe to promotion on what was rumoured to be the lowest wage budget in the division. He did this by having fantastic organisational and motivation skills and getting the best out of average players.

    Could he do even better with a bit of money.

    I know I will get hammered by the vast majority on here.
     
  24. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Well he won't come.

    Pearson might be more suited to the Championship- he can support and encourage players but clearly lacks something tactically and is unable to change the team to make it better in tough situations.
     
  25. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Pearson has a good track record in the Championship. He got Leicester to a playoff semi final, where they had a chance from the penalty spot to get the the playoff final, then the following season Leicester went up as champions.

    He kept Leicester up, albeit with an incredible late season run of form, but then Leicester went on the win the Premier League, with the exact same side Pearson created.

    He was sacked from Leicester for non footballing reasons. Had he stayed, I'm convinced he would have been the man to have won the league for Leicester.

    Ok, his record since then has not been great. He had a poor spell at Derby and then Belgium club OH Leuven, but I put that down to not working with Shakespeare. Together they form a very good team and one which could serve us well in the Championship.

    You have to trust them. They've proven they can do it.

    If we stay up, the manner of survival is important. It's looking like we'll finish with a whimper, but that may still be enough to stay up. If we stay up, then I'd say he's deserved to remain and given the chance to rebuild a Watford team, which is badly in need of a major overhaul.
     
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  26. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    The club appear to do no research in the psychology of the player's they sign. Assembled a squad which consists mainly of wimps and t0ssers.

    Compare that to Burnley, who sign average players with a burning desire to play and win.
     
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  27. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Pearson's side didn't have Kante or Okazaki, two of the four most integral components of that title-winning side (and one who many would make the argument was the most important), so it was hardly the exact same side.

    It's obviously your opinion, as you say, but I don't see any particular reason why we should believe he would also have won the league, even aside from the change in personnel. Apart from anything else, it basically implies the total pointlessness of the managerial position, as though Ranieri, a far higher-pedigree and quality candidate, had no input whatsoever.

    I think people tend to underestimate the Championship here; it evolves tactically and technically like just like the other leagues. Look at what Leeds have just done, and who they did it under. Look at what Brentford are doing. Pearson's successful record in the Championship was six and seven years ago. It's not just about pashun and getting annoyed at everything all the time whilst shouting at the lads enough to force them to really want promotion.

    We don't have any particular recent evidence that he's any more adept than anyone else at navigating the Championship of 2020, and in fact the only evidence we do have is to the contrary, given how abysmally he performed at Derby (winning one game in nine before being bombed out by the owner after having a furious row with him).

    I have to say, I haven't seen much evidence of this good team he's formed with Shakespeare here. Even in the matches we've won, we've often played very poorly for long stretches of the match, with no clear tactical plan. If Shakespeare was such a tactical genius, wouldn't he impact our subs positively at all, for instance? Or is it Nigel just overruling his clever suggestions every single time, yet continuing to work with him?

    So has Curbishley; he both got promoted from the Championship and miraculously kept a dreadful side up in the final stages of a Prem season. Shall we get him on the blower?
     
  28. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Hughes and Sarr are the only likeable players we have.

    Some would say Foster as well - but I’m not convinced at all that he’s actually bothered.
     
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  29. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Just say you don't like Pearson and don't want him to stay. It's far easier and a lot less typing for you.
     
  30. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Have to agree. We are in a fight for our lives - yet consistently since the restart haven’t looked up for it and only have a few second half efforts to show for it - what is happening in the week during training etc for them to be so unmotivated? If he can say enough in 15 mins at HT to (at times) get them to raise their games, why can’t he do it in the 72hrs+ between games?
     
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  31. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    He disagreed with you and made a valid argument? Why does not believing he should be given the job have to equate to not liking the man?

    I like Pearson. I find him refreshing and honest. That doesn’t mean I, or others, have to think he’s the right manager to take us forward.
     
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  32. Luca

    Luca Academy Graduate

    Nigel Pearson is not a very good coach, and would be a huge mistake to keep him beyond this season. Awful tactically, awful subs, no plan, no patterns of play, poor usage of squad. Pozzos have to appoint a decent coach rather than just going for who’s free. A good coach is the difference between us and say Burnley. (No I’m not saying get Dyche back, although he’s a huge upgrade on Pearson)
     
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  33. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    It's funny how, when you don't have a counter, you resort to almost that exact post, whatever the subject; I recall you doing it to ZZTop just the other day.

    And just in case you think you've pulled off some incredible 'gotcha': I don't like Pearson as a manager. I don't think he's a very good manager. I don't want him to stay. This is far from the first time I've said it.

    I do find it odd that you, of all people, would now ask for a reduction in verbosity, but I suppose that's for you to square in your own head.
     
  34. If Pearson had shown he is willing to be flexible, try different players, formations, change games, he'd be the right choice. But he hasn't, he's played the same 11 over and over and over in the hope something different happens next time. It's insanity.

    If Pearson stayed we'd have yet another year of hoof to Deeney and when that doesn't work bring on Gray. It's not what the club needs and will be a huge mistake.
     
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  35. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    You could have just responded with 'had he stayed at Leicester, I'm convinced he would have flown his team to the Moon on a magic carpet'.

    It's has the same level of factual basis as most of what the guy types.
     
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