NEVER pay a parking ticket unless issued by the council

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  1. Halfwayline

    Halfwayline Reservist

    Missus parked at Sainsburys Stanmore
    Got home and forgot the Nutella so returned to Sainsburys
    Ticketed for returning within 2 hours
    Ignored first, second and third reminder
    Ignored the red letters threatening me with death
    Ignored the final letter insisting they may get a company in who will manhandle my gonads
    They've now gone away
     
  2. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    I've contacted the club now to see if the private companies jurisdiction extends to Occupation Road.
     
  3. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    With these PCNs there are three routes - bearing in mind very few cases actually end up in court (compared to the vast number of PCNs issued - this is built into the PPCs "business" models - I use the word business in its loosest possible sense as all of these PPCs are lying, cheating, scumbags and at no stage should you ever imagine that you are dealing with a "normal" reputable company):

    1) Pay 'em. It's only £80, right?

    2) Ignore 'em. The chances are nothing is going to happen, but if, and if, it goes to court it means that you have ignored a number of alternative resolution methods other than a judge's decison. You'd be surprised at the number of people who ignore them even when they get to court i.e. the don't even bother turning up to defend themselves.

    3) Fight 'em. The third stage of the appeals process (after contacting whoever the PPC is acting as an agent for and making a direct appeal to the PPC) costs the PPC £28 (it costs you three letters and a bit of time researching what to do). A well constructed appeal at this stage is virtually guarenteed to win for you and hurts these PPCs financially. And believe me, once consumers learnt the magic acronym "GPEOL" the PPC "industry" (here I use the word in the same sense as one describes the Somali pirate industry) has started to take a big hit.
     
  4. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

  5. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    Thank you both for the help, I've signed up to the Money Saving Website and did a little research on the issuing company and it appears they are working on the councils behalf, would that mean the issue is from the council?
     
  6. Orny Arry

    Orny Arry Guest

    What land was it on and what type of ticket is it?
     
  7. Orny Arry

    Orny Arry Guest

    I used to get frequently ticketed in Portsmouth. Never paid one except those issues by the LA.
     
  8. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Does your PCN say "Issued by Watford Borough Council" (or whatever they call themselves) or is it issued by the PPC? Does it say "...fine..." or "...parking charge notice...".

    Then relax and read the newbies stickied thread(s) on MSE.

    DO NOT CONTACT THE PPC AT ALL UNLESS IT IS TO SEND THEM YOUR FIRST APPEAL (WITH MITIGATION) AND REQUESTING A POPLA OR ISPCA (WHATEVER IT IS) CODE.
     
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2014
  9. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    It was on Occupation Road and is a PPC.

    It was issued by OPC and is just a PPC. thank you so much for the help you two.
     
  10. Orny Arry

    Orny Arry Guest

    It's effectively an invoice. They'll get your details via the DVLA (costs like two quid) and send some letters to you. Once you've received the second one it's harassment. Write to them stating that you are pursuing a case of harassment against them and from that point forward they are to destroy any data they have on you under the DPA. If they continue to send you letters they've then failed to comply with a basic data protection request - this is a big no no. Feel free to name drop the data protection commissioner too.
     
  11. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Errrrrmmmm.......
     
  12. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Who's born_3 then?
     
  13. Orny Arry

    Orny Arry Guest

    What's happened here is that the above poster - being a bit of a loner and all that - has decided to take this thread to another forum, who do not appear to be any more qualified as anyone on here. He's referred to me as a lawyer, unless I'm mistaken, then made other remarks in order to paint a little picture that ultimately misleads his little chums.

    The advice I've taken from an enforcing authority is what I've provided above. It worked for me.

    Re; harassment. Well, from somebody who knows this part of the law very well due to it being a point to prove in almost all ASB cases, I can tell you now that harassment can be almost anything the victim wants it to be. It's the subjective test - how did the recipient feel? The focus isn't on the action or the motive. The user on the forum seems to know a lot about nothing. Bit like our man on here, who has felt the need to take this argument on to another forum in order to provide a story.

    If you've got so much time on your hands to do that BWH, then I was right in my initial thoughts about you.
     
  14. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    A friend of mine had got a ticket for parking on the approach to the car park at chorleywood station.

    The road in is part of Chorleywood common. When the car park is full, it became an overflow, although some people seemed to be using it to avoid paying the four pounds a day and many parked badly, making access difficult.

    After a hullabaloo, a sign has new gone up prohibiting parking on the approach, though with no road markings.

    Ncp issued the ticket to her.
     
  15. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    I have yet to hear anything from these scumbags glad the club sorted it.
     
  16. neraksarrab

    neraksarrab Making Professor Brian Cox look thick

    we went to watch the Watford v Granada friendly in 2013. We parked at the sports direct / Argos car park.

    We received one of these bogus fines and about 10 letters and escalating threats with each one.

    Gave them all a stiff ignoring. They stopped eventually.
     
  17. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    So, my friend's situation:

    Public land, private company, warning sign, NCP fine. Should she pay it?
     
  18. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    I refer "your friend" to my previous comment (and the "public land" bit is causing my spidy sense to act-up):

     
  19. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Do you know this for certain, have they informed you that the PPC has been cancelled? The PPC's have 5(?) years under POFA to take you to court for their "losses" (sic). They may be waiting for the outcome of the Cambridge appeal.

    Here's a new "tactic": fighting a PCN is one thing, fighting a CCJ is something else.
     
  20. Godfather

    Godfather bricklayer extraordinaire

    does the sign actually say "fine" or "penalty" or simply "charge" or "fee"?
     
  21. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    No they havent but the man at the club told me it was cancelled.
     
  22. Orny Arry

    Orny Arry Guest

    Hahaha BoredomWood knows jack sh*t. It's all copy and pasted from some dog sh*t forum for psychos.

    If private companies took every non payer to court they'll go bust, and even if they did go to court the likelihood of receiving the money is slim. Blood from a stone comes to mind!
     
  23. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  24. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    I use a parkbytext service at my new job.

    £3.50 for a full days parking. I topped up my account this morning at 8am just before I left my house. (Clearly with the intention of paying the fine).

    For the three weeks I have been working, I have sent a text every morning at roughly 8.40am.

    I was running late this morning and forgot until 2.30pm when I sent the text in the hope of not being caught yet. Coincidentally, 2 others in the graduate academy also forgot and we all text at the same time.

    Went back to my car at 5pm and the other two had not received a fine but I did (at roughly 12pm). This is a private company fine though and the car park is in Belfast.

    I have however contacted the company already (before I read this thread) where I lodged an appeal as it was an honest mistake (I've also told them I will move to a neighbouring car park if I have to pay the £60 fine as they have a swipe card function so it would be impossible to simply forget, which would lose the current car park £800 per year (its not a very busy car park either, I'd say around 50 cars per day just).

    In my ticket, I was told my appeal wouldn't be lodged unless I told them if I was driving and if I owned the car, so I told them that I was driving and I was the owner.

    Any advice?
     
  25. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  26. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    Nornironhorn you'll very likely lose the appeal, you also made the classic mistake of giving away who was driving. Head over to Money Saving Expert Forum or Pepipoo forums for solid advice on how to defeat these scamming b*stards.

    Two tales for you.

    My daughter parked in the car park next to Rickmansworth station in August on 2 separate days. Both times she paid by text, but the company never got the texts and sent 2 penalty notices. I appealed both for her with one h*ll of a long appeal letter and loads of supporting photos. We won one appeal and lost the other, (both identical). I've now gone to the POPLA stage with an even longer appeal, (with help from the MSE forum people), which is ongoing. Even if we lose that it costs the parking companies an arm and a leg when you go to POPLA, so make sure when if you lose your appeal you get a POPLA reference no. Currently waiting on a decision from them.

    On Friday I had a small procedure done at Mount Vernon hospital. I paid for 2 hours parking. There was a wait, then the procedure took longer than expected. When I went back to the car there was a bloke putting a ticket on the windscreen. I lost the plot with him, (I wasn't in a good place at the time), and it was obvious I'd had something done by the blood stained bandages adorning my head. He told me if I calmed down he'd cancel the ticket. I don't know how I didn't commit GBH there and then. I shut my mouth and just stared until he removed the ticket and cancelled it.

    These parking companies are bottom dwelling scumbags. Don't pay them a penny and fight the b*stards all the way to the end.
     
  27. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    The fact that parking is chargeable at a hospital is criminal imho.
     
  28. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    I can understand it when parking at the hospital may be useful for a town center or station, then you need parking enforcement in the same way that Watford car parks operate, IE. pay when you leave to get through the barrier. That's sensible, well run and can be made free at off peak times. Using parking eye or any other unscrupulous outfit to stealthily slam people with out of proportion fines is completely out of order and should be made illegal, especially in hospital car parks. In the past year alone there have been situations where I've come out of hospital in such a state that I would definitely do damage to myself if I encountered one of these w****rs.
     
  29. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    @D, the problem is you're assuming that these PPC's are "normally run businesses" that run along the lines of:

    This means that they have to pay for upkeep and maintenance of the site (and be liable for VAT on any profit that they make). But they turned into "parking management" companies whose business model is to demand £100 (£80 is settled) for "losses incurred by them" due to people overstaying 20 min in a "free" car park or entering the incorrect details into one of their machines. They're also getting better at choosing who they pick a fight with (people under stress using a hospital car-park is a very good target market) don't forget very, very few people who get a ticket from them end up in court and the vast majority of their court cases are won by default - people don't bother to turn up and defend themselves.
     
  30. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    How's this for timing, literally just received this from POPLA after contesting my daughters unsuccessful appeal.


    Dear Diamond

    Thank you for submitting your parking charge Appeal to POPLA.

    An Appeal has been opened with the reference xxxxxxxxxx.

    Parking Eye Ltd have told us they do not wish to contest the Appeal. This means that your Appeal is successful and you do not need to pay the parking charge.

    Yours sincerely

    POPLA Team
     
  31. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    That's cost them £28.

    This is the "soft appeal" which very rarely works (even in the case of you having a permit the vermin will ask for a £25 processing fee as "goodwill") and is the first stage. In the old days, before the Beavis case, the magic get-out-of-jail card was GPEOL (Genuine Pre-Estimate of Loss) and the chance of going to court was zero there was some guy who posted all of his soft appeals (but all requesting a POPLA code) with such mitigation as :

    The replies from the scammers (who in those days used to actually read the letters they got but now they just send out pre-printed letters) always mentioned why they were turning his defence down.

    My personal record is 17 in a week - for the crime of leaving my car, parked in my allocated parking spot over a week with the permit upside down.
     
  32. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Having tested the water for a £15M 'unpaid' PCN, so setting their sights lower:
    [​IMG]
     
  33. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    Ha! Brilliant.
     
  34. StuBoy

    StuBoy Forum Cad and Bounder

    You better cough up that £5 million quick.
     
  35. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

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