Meghan and Harry to step back from front line Royalising

Discussion in 'Taylor's Tittle-Tattle - General Banter' started by Moose, Jan 8, 2020.

  1. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    I don't mind giving explanations, but you then respond by saying something like "So you are saying that Meghans suicidal thoughts were a one off..." when I clearly didn't say anything of the sort.

    I'll try one last time.

    I don't think that a charity that is trying to raise awareness or funding to support treatment is necessarily helped by celebrities suggesting that they were suicidal but imply that they are ok now (and living successful and exciting lives), even though they couldn't get help or treatment. It sends the wrong message, in my view, as it is implying that people can go their own way to get through MH (trivialising) when the charity is actually encouraging people to seek help when they are struggling, and access MH treatment services.

    But that is only my view, feel free to disagree.
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  2. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    Surely there is a distinction, though?

    Someone could genuinely find themselves in a situation that made them feel suicidal, but who otherwise didn’t suffer from mental health issues?

    Whereas someone else could also be feeling suicidal, because of depression and underlying mental health issues not related to any particular thing in their life?

    I get the point it might not be useful to MH charities and so forth, but are we saying suicidal thoughts can only be linked to mental health issues now?
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  3. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    I was trying to ask what you were saying (admittedly I should have said "are you", not "you are") and it wasn't "clear" to me at all.

    But thanks. I would say that I agree with that point, yes.

    Was Meghan saying that she has had no support ever, then? I read her 'no support' comment but thought that was, as I said, a dig at the Royals - that they wouln't tolerate this issue while she was "one of them". I hadn't appreciated that she meant that she didn't later seek support. But as I say, I didn't see the interview.

    In answer to @a19tgg: certainly we would treat any 'suicidal thoughts' as an MH issue at my university.
  4. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    No, she didn't say that she had no support ever. But she didn't say "I had to go outside for help as the establishment wouldn't help", either.
  5. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    Well, I'd have been surprised if she had been as blunt as to say the latter in so many words (although admittedly the reported comment about the skin colour suggests she wasn't prepared to pull many punches).
  6. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    She was blunt. She said that she went to a "senior member" of the royal household and was told that it "would not look good" and she was not a "fully paid up member of the family" anyway so they wouldn't help her.
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  7. Since63

    Since63 Reservist

    I thought she said she went to the HR dept who said they couldn’t help as she was not a ‘paid employee’.
  8. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    Same thing I think, the HR dept of the royal household?
  9. dynamo380

    dynamo380 Reservist

    Its a strange one, as that 'one of them' quote didnt come from a member of the Royal family and im not sure how much the rest of the royals actually knew about it. Megan said she went to the institution as she needed to go somewhere for help and the reply was that she couldnt because it wouldnt be good for the institution. But the institution is a pretty large group of people from lowly kitchen staff all the way up to the Queen herself at the top. By saying she went to the institution she could have literally been speaking to anyone involved in that organisation, she never specifies and its all abit vague. She said later on that she went to someone quite senior in the institution and the implication seems to be it was some sort of aide rather than a member of the Royal family. It was also referenced somewhere that she went to the palace HR department but as she wasnt a paid employee, who they are there for, but rather a member of the family they couldnt help. Im sure there must have been more to that conversation though.

    It was Harry himself who said that he didnt reach out to a member of the family becasue he was ashamed and the general mentality would have been 'this is how it is, we've all been through it'. Its Harry's part in this that I'm struggling with really. He claims he didnt know how to get help for Meghan yet he, William and Kate launched a mental health charity - and the four of them jointly launched a seperate 24/7 support service for people suffering from mental health. Likewise he has previously credited his brother with encouraging him to seek out mental health support for himself in his twenties. Both Harry & Meghan during the interview made multiple comments about how great and wonderful the Queen had been to them. It seems he had supportive family members and he's had mental health support before so his comments during the interview dont add up really. It all just feels abit contrived on his part. Abit like how they have contrived Charles long term desire to slim down the monarchy when he sits on the throne to actually be that Archie wont get a prince title because hes black.
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  10. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    Surely if Meghan had mental health issues and suicidal thoughts then it would have been her husbands responsibility to make sure by hook or by crook she got help. I’m not buying that they reached out and were told that no help would be forthcoming, and they accepted that position. If that is the case then Harry should grow a pair and take the blame. The crux of the issue is that Meghan was totally unsuitable for the royal family, which is about service to others rather than raising her profile. They are now try to pass the blame for them leaving, back onto the Royal Family.
  11. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    Which was mainly my thoughts on the matter, I think she naively went in thinking she alone was able to mould the royal family around what she thought it should appear like, I then think that when she was unable to get her way she threw a strop and dragged Harry with her.
  12. Megan and her idiot husband are both wealthy people, they could have paid for top private mental health treatment anywhere in the world, with a private jet there and back, as simply as snapping their fingers. The idea somehow it's all someone else's fault is laughable.
  13. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Just wondering how you get mental health services by ‘crook’? Ere, wanna buy some knock off counselling?
  14. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I think there was a fundamental clash of perspectives. The Royal Family has had a ton of shyte thrown at it over the years, Prince Phillip for example, gossiped about in lurid, offensive conspiracies involving Diana’s death. They never commented on any of it.

    That wasn’t going to work with the abuse directed at Meghan. There are some concerns that demand a position. The couple seem to have looked to the family to support her around this abuse, found the family wouldn’t do so and moreover had its own problems in coming to terms with a mixed race Royal.

    Stiff upper lip is one way to run a family, but maybe it also needed empathy.

    But like I say in the OP, who gives one ultimately? It’s a daft circus.
  15. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    I suspect this significantly understates how far the Royal Family has 'rules' which apply to its members.
  16. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Look guys, guys! Let's just agree they are ALL a bunch of toffee-nosed ****s, eh?
  17. Lloyd

    Lloyd Reservist

    Good to see the Royal family taking positive steps to fall in with the spirit of the age following Meghan and Harry's promotional video. I have just received this pic which shows Prince William on his way to an unconscious bias training class today.

  18. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett First Year Pro

    But but but . If you hold the correct opinions then you are allowed "context" whereas someone who
    holds incorrect opinions is not allowed the same courtesy.
    Imagine the furore from the usual suspects if Bojo was caught wearing a nazi uniform or using the word P**i?.
    What boils my pish is that I am defending a Tory because of the intolerant #BeNice mob
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  19. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett First Year Pro

    That is a very good point.
    What I will add is that JT has kept his "woke" or "BeNice" credentials
    whereas BoJo is forever a right wing Nazi because of his "pillar box"
    comments .
  20. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    Mmm, maybe. But Boris’ comments come in the broader context of policies which are generally right wing, and Trudeau’s actions in the broader context of policies which are generally liberal.

    So, IMO, it’s not that left-wingers/liberals get a “pass” which right-wingers don’t, it’s just that the specific instances are read against their other views/actions.
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  21. Rookery Refugee

    Rookery Refugee First Year Pro

    I think there is and likely always will be a difference on the objective. The objectives of the Royal Household are to A) Protect the Monarch; B) protect the brand and C) repeat item A for the other members of the family in decreasing importance based on their place in the line of succession. Taken in that vein, protecting Megan and Harry was and is fairly far down the list of priorities, whatever one thinks of either of them. In this model, Meghan's reputation is always going to lose out to Kate's, as Harry's would to William's. Roll all that into the fact that experience has shown that silence and the stiff upper lip are their best weapon, you got what you got.

    Harry wasn't willing to accept that. Whether we think he and Meghan are justified or not, they used the leverage that they had as the third most popular royals (arguably second most outside of England, where most people are less interested in the Queen, simply because of her age) and tried to change the status quo. The marketing people likely should have advised Charles and William that that something needed to be done outside the usual norms. I doubt that they did. The cash cows likely could have been kept in the fold.
  22. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

  23. Lloyd

    Lloyd Reservist

    It doesn't matter. If Megan or anyone else says they did something, that's their 'truth' and nobody should question it. That's on page one of the Guide to Woke Living
  24. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    I think too much might be being made of this. Might she not just have meant that they had two 'ceremonies', the one a private exchange of vows and the other a formal wedding?
  25. Not when she is happily throwing all and sundry under the bus in the name of attention seeking no. She gets what she deserves. A spiteful liar and fantasist.
  26. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    Thanks. I stand corrected.
  27. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    Just really hope they do another Oprah to clarify this really important issue. Was the £26m wedding effectively fake and unnecessary
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  28. Lloyd

    Lloyd Reservist

    Nah mate. She's a bleedin' cow
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  29. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    The untruth of the 3-people wedding casts doubt on her other claims. She strikes me as a spoilt Hollywood princess who thought she was getting an upgrade to her celeb status and was outraged to find that being a royal involves obligations.

    Mind you I didn't watch the Megan & Harry show out of respect for their desperate desire for privacy.
  30. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    Gawd bless ya, Ma'aam!
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  31. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Certainly doesn't do your credibility much good when the Archbishop of Canterbury comes out and says "nope, not what happened".
  32. my pleasure
  33. There is a legitimate and urgent need to address all forms of prejudice. What doesn't help is this attention seeking fantasist and her idiot of a husband making stuff up.
  34. AndrewH63

    AndrewH63 Reservist

    Apparently the Royal Household (the monarch) directly employs a 1,000 people. I expect payroll, recruitment, general personnel work, etc would mean a dept of about 12. And other members of the Royal Family employ more staff. The Duchy of Cornwall has about 150. So I expect there are a couple of HR professionals among that lot.

    Of course as the adult members of the royal family have way beyond average wealth, they can always buy in additional professional help for whatever reason.
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  35. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Can this couple stoop any lower?

    Apparently their first Netflix project is going to be about "The Invictus Games" I know Harry was the person who inaugurated them, but now he is going to be using them for his own personal profit!!!

    That is disgusting IMO :mad:

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