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  1. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    It has to be celebrated. I don't think I've ever known a sequence quite like this.

    Since that hideous home defeat 0-3 to Burnley, this has been our home record in all competitions.

    Crystal Palace 0-0
    Manchester United 2-0
    Aston Villa 3-0
    Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1
    Tottenham Hotspur 0-0
    Tranmere Rovers (FAC) 3-3
    Everton 2-3
    Liverpool 3-0
    Brentford 2-0 (Friendly)
    Leicester City 1-1
    Southampton 1-3
    Norwich City 2-1
    Newcastle United 2-1
    Manchester City 0-4
    Scunthorpe United 1-0 (Friendly)
    Tottenham Hotspur 2-1 (Friendly)
    Middlesbrough 1-0
    Luton Town 1-0
    Blackburn Rovers 3-2
    Bournemouth 1-1
    Stoke City 3-2
    Coventry City 3-2
    Preston North End 4-1
    Cardiff City 0-1
    Rotherham United 2-0
    Brentford 1-1
    Norwich City 1-0
    Huddersfield Town 2-0
    Barnsley 1-0
    Queens Park Rangers 1-2
    Bristol City 6-0
    Derby County 2-1
    Wycombe Wanderers 2-0
    Nottingham Forest 1-0
    Birmingham City 3-0
    Sheffield Wednesday 1-0

    P 36 W 25 D 6 L 5 F 65 A 31 Gd +34
     
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  2. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Most of it without any fans - typical!
     
  3. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    Coincidence?
     
  4. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Only so much tutting and grumbling from the stands that players can take. Must be relieved not to be in that cauldron of mild disapproval.
     
  5. PotGuy

    PotGuy Forum Fetishist

    The deafening roar of those shuffling off to their cars at 85 mins and 3-0 down to beat the traffic is like a dagger through the heart of the team

    Rip
     
  6. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Probably less pressure and expectation to attack which under Ivic certainly we didn’t do much.
     
  7. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    It makes for very nice reading.
     
  8. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    Interesting point re fans. The players keep talking about how much they miss the fans and how important we are, and of course we are. Most home support are hugely significant, but this run being so good on the backdrop of no fans can't be ignored.

    Over this run, we've had supporters in for just a handful of games.

    Crystal Palace 0-0
    Manchester United 2-0
    Aston Villa 3-0
    Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-1
    Tottenham Hotspur 0-0
    Tranmere Rovers (FAC) 3-3
    Everton 2-3
    Liverpool 3-0
    Cardiff City 0-1
    Rotherham United 2-0
    Brentford 1-1

    With fans
    P 11 W 5 D 4 L 2 F 18 A 9

    Without fans
    P 25 W 20 D 2 L 3 F 47 A 22

    You can see we've been far better without fans at home. Even this season when we let fans in for three games our record was 1 win, 1 draw and 1 defeat, which is way under the overall average for the season.

    It's odd, but it's working for Watford.
     
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  9. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    We will all be back next season to watch us lose every other week to make up for it
     
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  10. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    I think the no fans shows how much of sport is in the mind. People will talk about things like pitch size and grass length, but such things shouldn’t make such a noticeable difference. The home and away aspect still clearly influences mindsets in terms of tactics and approach even when it shouldn’t.

    One interesting thing I’ve noticed is fans of clubs not doing so well blaming lack of fans for their fortunes, or suggesting they’d be doing better with them. It’s a big theme among Sheffield Utd fans, and if you scan the Brentford forum and the thread for their last game you’ll see a lot of their fans saying it. That is odd in itself as that game was away, but as we’ve shown it’s a double edged sword. Yes a crowd can spur you on, but they can also make things worse if you’re not performing well.
     
  11. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Maybe some of it just happens to be coincidence as we got relegated to the Championship where we would hope to have a strong record regardless.

    The fact we are a strong side in the league rather than at the bottom of the Premier league must help.

    But as HB1 says we did have some disappointing performances with fans albeit at the end of the Ivic reign which maybe says something.

    It is interesting though how a team like West Ham seem much better without their hostile home support who can often turn on them whereas Liverpool have struggled without fans at Anfield to maybe spur them on or influence the officials?
     
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  12. Since63

    Since63 Reservist

    Well at least if we only lose every other week we should stay up....oh, hang on.
     
  13. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    We're actually an outlier from the overall data.

    The trend across football as a whole shows the lack of supporters in stadiums has eroded home advantage (and thus boosted away prospects). The fact that our home form has bucked the trend is likely despite the lack of fans, not because of it.

    I suspect our significant uptick in form merely reflects the combination of our relegation and the players recovering from the dire form that encapsulated our early Premier League performances last season. Our squad is very good by Championship standards (I am of the opinion that the squad was good enough to stay up, and should have done so; we massively underperformed), so a jump in home winning percentage is to be expected.
     
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  14. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Or maybe we're all miserable bastards who hate our players while other clubs - except Newcastle, obvs - are supported exclusively by happy clappers.
     
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  15. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    I actually laughed at this. Congratulations and Happy Easter.
    I wonder if it would be possible to co-ordinate the crowd (when we get back) so that every body could go 'TUTT' simultaneously. Would it make a significant sound? How disapproving would it sound? There's a scientific paper in there, somewhere.
     
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  16. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    Maybe, just maybe, our home crowd is so relatively quiet compared to the away end, which is made up of so many raucous, uncouth northerners, East Enders and so forth. In that way, and since we have had no crowd at all of late, maybe that accounts for the uptick in home performances. (And possibly casts a poor light on the manliness of our players).
     
  17. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Our players were used to playing in relative silence, so it's like nothing has changed?
     
  18. Hornpete

    Hornpete Squad Player

    The crowd will get on peoples backs who will then often put more pressure on themselves and crumble. Or be scared to make a mistake so dont try anything.

    I dont think its too far of a stretch to say we have a few of these players. Chalobah has had the luxury of 30-40 games to get his form back. Kiko POTS candidate.

    On the other hand I think Sarr would have been unplayable with a crowd egging him forward.
     
  19. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Reservist

    Have we ever been unbeaten at home for a whole season?

    Our home form in our debut season in the top flight was amazingly good - 16 wins and 50 points from 21 games, even better than in the promotion season, when it was 45 points from 21 games (I haven't worked out many goals we scored, but it was probably in the 50s). Clearly we shocked a fair few teams who were either expecting an easy three points or thought they'd worked out a way of stopping us.
     

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