Martin "Fat" Samuel article revisited

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Relegation Certs, Apr 2, 2019.

  1. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Always brings the lols to see how wrong the fat shed was.

    Also the comments still amuse me no end. No doubt half of the watford fans on there are the same whoppers with saturated undercrackers who post here.

    "Brilliant article, I'm a Watford season ticket holder, a difficult read for me, hard hitting, factual and thought provoking." - superhorns.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/a...hats-wrong-modern-football-Martin-Samuel.html
     
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  2. Levon

    Levon Squad Player

    Ah yes. Many have fallen by the wayside in that time. HomeAndAwayHornet, Highgrade, Pads - time waits for no one.
     
  3. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    A most unsightly man.
     
  4. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    You skipped the rest of regthehedge1968's comment:

    Brilliant article, I'm a Watford season ticket holder, a difficult read for me, hard hitting, factual and thought provoking. That said, I'm a yellow to I die and, apart from the sacking of Sean dyche (a brilliant man manager) and the bleak alternative that wfc had, i'm going with it right Now
     
  5. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    One lost laptop with all my log ins :(
     
  6. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    What would be great is if Martin Samuel read this piece now and admits he got it wrong. How on earth you can write something like that seven games in to the season is incredible. Somebody also decided is it was worth printing. Nothing to do with Samuel being a bitter West Ham fan
     
  7. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    I, of course, said that at the time but there were plenty on here that backed the big man.
     
  8. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    I have to admit that while he was 90% wrong, he was right in one or two respects. Nani was no better than Comolli at Liverpool. And if you read carefully you'll see that he planted a couple of caveats in his rant. Also, he said that Abdi and Vydra looked to be the best of the loanees.

    I was unhappy at the binning of our youth policy in favour of a huge number of loanees I'd never heard of - hence my ill-judged nom de Forum.

    He quoted Zola as saying that they were all Watford and going in the same direction. Fatboy added "sadly, for the good of football, let's hope that is true." And it has been.
     
  9. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    He did respond to someone who later pulled him up on the article basically saying we should have been happy being a mid table Championship team producing players and managers for higher teams ..
     
  10. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    I suppose he is happy being mid table journalist. I don't mind people having an opinion on things like this but his articles always seem full of hate rather than factual. Once he doesn't like somebody there is no coming back and he clearly doesn't like Watford!
     
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  11. Jimb976

    Jimb976 Academy Graduate

    Martin Samuel is the Steve McLaren of journalism. Nothing to show for a lifetime watching football (note: watching)

    Neither man has had an impact on the game, nor will they go down in history for anything memorable

    Samuel is perfectly suited to The Mail, writes drivel for consumption by the marginally literate
     
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  12. Schteve will go down in history for his Dutch take on 'Allo Allo'
     
  13. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Justworkedouthowtochange

    Hindsight is a great thing

    Being open and unbiassed is a great way of avoiding looking like a ****
     
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  14. Siohmy

    Siohmy Reservist

    Comically arrogant. Probably realised that before long we’d be taking West Ham’s “spot” in the Prmeier League. You’ll rarely find a journalist that admits to being wrong even in the face of staggering evidence. With Samuel that is Mission Impossible.
     
  15. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    If there is an easier job in the world than being a football journalist, I don't know what it is.

    Zero accountability, knowledge or accuracy required.
     
  16. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    By way of illustration, BBC bloke says Watford are "resting their entire defence tonight ahead of the cup semi final". Is it to much for a football journalist to know that the defence out tonight is Watford's first choice?
     
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  17. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    FFS:
     
  18. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

  19. Loyalhornet

    Loyalhornet Reservist

    What an absolute tosser . I remember reading this at the time and his misunderstanding of what was actually happening was ridiculous. Actually had he made these comments a season later when we were struggling in mid table he may have had a point but after a handfull of matches !

    I like the way we keep proving the media wrong season after season though
     
  20. Harrow Orn

    Harrow Orn Squad Player

    "Watford has been transformed overnight into Udinese’s finishing school, with all the loss of identity that entails."

    We loaned them Okaka and Zeegelaar this season.
     
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  21. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Having stuck up for 10% of Fatboy's article, I have to say I agree with every word of this
     
  22. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    What happens when the loans come back?
     
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  23. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Not being a Mail reader, I'd never seen this before. Astonishing hypocrisy. But at least he'll be wearing yellow on Saturday. With black shorts
     
  24. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Or a Brexiteer.
     
  25. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    I'm not sure I am comfortable with your new name Hb!
    What will happen post Sunday?
     
  26. Teide1

    Teide1 Squad Player

    It's all worked out well at the end! Hasn't it!
     
  27. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    I suppose he couldn't complain too much about 3rd party agents given West Ham's history with Tevez all those years ago.
     
  28. reids

    reids First Team

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  29. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    He writes controversial articles, waits for people to bite back, and then composes a 'witty' harsh-sounding comeback.

    I suppose it counts as journalism, but it's the worst kind. The Jeremy Kyle of journalism.
     
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  30. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    He is a talksport type of baiter akin to Adrian Durham. Spout a load of guff and feed off the infamy. Every hit on that web page and every comment validates his approach.

    Essentially please keep ignoring the troll
     
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  31. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    There's the danger of being confused with HB1, of course, and in the politics section I should call myself Absolutely Bloody Furious Bunny, but as regards football this is absolutely right, even if we lose on Sunday. For when have we ever previously had the consolation of a good chance of achieving our objective in the League after losing at Wembley in the Cup?
     
  32. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Sort of... In ye olden days of print journalism one of my mates was a sub at The Guardian when the spectacularly shyte and extremely hateful Julie Burchill had a weekly 'opinion' piece. Of course every week the editor would receive a lot of letters complaining about how awful she and all her works were and how she should be sacked. What the letter writers didn't know was that newspaper editors love letters about their hacks - it shows their stuff is being read. So, according to my mate, all the letter writing campaign was to keep the absolutely useless Burchill in her for job far longer than she should.

    The Mail makes a lot of money and was one of the first print organisations to invest in 'online' hence its dominance today in what's become known as 'clickbait'.

    I think his writing is just a combination of those two things coupled with the facts that there aren't that many of us 'Orns to affect a boycott (so he/they can afford to upset us) and what we were doing was very new.

    Virtually all football 'journalism' is outrage and whipping up a controversy: "...do you think that was a penalty Wrighty..." I wonder if the media clamour for VAR will end up cutting their own throats...
     
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  33. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    Of course. The media clocked onto the fact that anger engages people to their content like no other emotion.

    People assume that they are salient beings that hold inherent core values, and anger is a result of those values being broken. Only now are we learning the extent to which the media both forms and perpetuates those core values.

    If you're listening to a radio show and you feel compelled to dial in, then the radio show has won.
     
  34. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    True.
    Perhaps you could become 'Easter Happy Bunny' in a week or two?
     
  35. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    I wonder if this is the same BBC sports "journalist" who, when rounding up the football stories last Saturday, referred to Solskjaer getting his first victory as United's appointed manager with a "2-0 win over Watford". Apparently, being a football journalist doesn't even require you to know the correct score.
     
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