Madeleine Mccann Investigation

Discussion in 'Taylor's Tittle-Tattle - General Banter' started by Clive_ofthe_Kremlin, Jun 4, 2020.

  1. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    A major breakthrough in the story that has thrilled every single one of us for the past 13 years.

    There's this German. You know what they're like. Cold and emotionless. And he has history of sex offences. And it could be that he was living around that sort of area at the time. The police have investigated him before, yes. And found nothing. But this time the German version of crime watch is on the case, so it could be a MAJOR breakthrough. Major.

    And it can only help house prices.
     
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  2. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    It seems his mobile phone was used in the area the day before, he'd disappeared off authorities radars a year earlier, and re-registered ownership of his car the day after she disappeared. It's not good news as the 1% chance she was just kidnapped and is living elsewhere goes out if the window. Yes this has dragged on forever but how would you feel if she was your daughter ?
     
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  3. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Re-registered his car and used his mobile phone in the area you say? Well, let's rest the case. How did the police miss such incontrovertible and damning evidence the first to thirty seventh time around?

    As for the McCann's feelings? Relieved that someone else is suspected lifting the finger of suspicion from them?
     
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  4. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    Most of the papers have it splashed across the front pages. It's a dream come true for the tabloids - a paedophile case where the subject is German, plus its some light relief from the boring coronavirus deaths and all that black business in America.
     
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  5. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Who said "rest the case" ?
    Used his phone in the resort or an hour before she was taken and re-registered ownership of the car the next day.
    Yes loads of tax payers money has been spent on this one case, its taken up so many front pages over the years unlike thousands of other missing kids,.... and maybe you believe the parents killed their daughter.
    I put myself in their shoes and think what it must be like to have a child snatched 15(?) years ago and never know what happened to her whilst being viewed as suspects by some. It would define the rest of your life and you'd be worried of going to your grave never knowing. Don't you have kids ?
    It does seem odd that they didn't see him as a suspect back then, but maybe he had no criminal record at that time ?
     
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  6. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    It's a dream come true for the Tories. Years of funding this investigation since Cameron signed off on the government paying for it in 2011 and at a near perfect time the investment pays off. It'll make headlines for days.
     
  7. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Surely they must have more evidence than using his mobile and re-registering his vehicle?
    Yes as parent I would be devastated! But then again I wouldn't leave my children alone while I went out for a meal with friends. There were babysitters available for hire too. Its neglect and they're extremely lucky that all three weren't taken.
     
  8. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Other than the fact that it's the Germans who have come up with this which highlights that the money spent by the UK Govt was effectively wasted ?
     
  9. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    So have the German authorities been actively working the case? Or have they been given hard evidence to follow? I'm little lost.
     
  10. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Who said the Germans had come up with it? They're leading this bit now but the investigation has very much been run by English police ever since we shoved the Portuguese out of the way.
     
  11. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Can I just advise everyone to be extremely circumspect about what you write as the parents in question have a massive fund that is used to chase down any 'unhelpful' 'opinions' on 'the case' and the McCanns are extremely litigious (I was a member of another site that took an almighty 'hit' from them).
     
  12. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Have you seen the documentary? I certainly wouldn’t have left the children alone in that particular room, no way in hell.

    If they’d had one of the rooms in the middle of the hotel then I’ve no doubt they would’ve been fine.
     
  13. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player


    I reckon it's possible they MIGHT have some idea what happened to her.

    The fact her blood was allegedly in their hired apartment and car boot has never been explained adequately for my satisfaction, nor why they chose to leave Portugal when they got named as suspects.

    They've also been accused several times of adapting and modifying their story over time to fit facts that have come to light.
     
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  14. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    I thought it was human blood, not necessarily her blood?... but maybe my memory is hazy on that.

    I’m sure they said the blood dogs who detected it could detect blood from 40 years ago.

    I’m inclined to think they didn’t do it. The bit that stuck out for me in the Doc was that if they did it, it would almost certainly require all of their friends to be covering for them. As they said in the documentary, you can maybe get one person to go along with a lie, but you can’t get 6-7 to do it. And also, why would they?
     
  15. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Edited accordingly. I have been glad to see that the MsCanns are able to live very comfortably after the loss of their daughter.
     
  16. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    There is no need for your sarcasm Clive. Really there isn't. People do make genuine mistakes. You always seem to make it a case about money. People of all circumstances suffer when they lose a loved one. No matter of wealth compensates. I am sure the parents would rather have their precious daughter as a young adult with them than all the needless speculation and torment about thinking of the consequences of their actions and what happened to her.

    There seems to be a particular set of people who seem to revel in the sordid nature of crime the sort the tabloids desperately seek to appeal to by relating all the grisly details and then speculating without foundation about who may have perpetrated the said crime. One need only ask Christopher Jeffries about his trial by tabloid.
     
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  17. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    This appears to be a possible breakthrough in a missing child case. I would say this post is cold and emotionless. This may lead to finalising what happened to this poor little girl
     
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  18. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    You've gone down in my estimations Clive though I doubt that bothers you. You think it's "possible" they know something but don't seem to accept that it's probably that they nothing and just want to find out what happened to their daughter ? You choose to focus on the fact that they are able to "live very comfortably". Do you really think they would fight to keep this story alive for 15 years and keep the police involved if they had something to hide, just to keep the charitable donations coming in to live "comfortable" lives ? It must be heartbreaking for them waking up everyday still wondering and feeling the guilt of knowing that they could have better protected her. I think they have done a cracking job of keeping the story alive and hope they find their answers and can grieve properly and put this behind them.
     
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  19. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Two completely unrelated things:
    1. Germany has some very strong (and rigidly enforced) child neglect laws.
    2. When I went abroad with my three children (when they were 'tots') I didn't leave them alone to go on the lash. I still have three children.
     
  20. RossConnor7

    RossConnor7 Academy Graduate

    I watched the first episode last night and funnily enough I said to the Mrs, I would never have left them alone and certainly not in that room. It was effectively on the main road and worse was, they left the door unlocked! That said they found the windows and shutters open which seems odd. I suppose in their defence, even the journalist said it was a common occurrence for parents to leave children in their rooms at that time and keep checking on them as it was deemed safe to do so. What was interesting however is that a friend saw a man carrying a little girl past the apartment about 10 minutes before she was found missing, but that seems to have been swept under the carpet, until now perhaps?
     
  21. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    From memory, I think that all gets covered off fairly significantly later on in the documentary.

    I don’t have kids anyway, so don’t care if I get flamed for this... but based on the layout of that hotel And where they were sitting for their dinner, if that had been me and I had one of the rooms in the centre of the hotel then I probably would’ve felt safe leaving them. Unless it was an inside job from one of the hotel staff then I think it would’ve been perfectly safe.

    But that particular room, absolutely no chance. I did consider at the time that if it was just mostly opportunism on behalf of the perpetrator based in having seen the room and what was going on, just how cruel a twist of fate it was that the hotel allocated them that particular room. Any other and it would’ve been fine, more than likely.
     
  22. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    You dont leave a three year old child and two younger ones on their own FULL STOP. It's neglect end of story. Neglect in Portugal is a crime but still they got away with no charges. You eat on the balcony or use the registered babysitters they had on site.
     
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  23. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Quite right.

    However, I’m certain the ‘prison’ of mental torture they’ve had since is far worse than a few years in a Portuguese prison for neglect.
     
  24. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    I remember as a teenager at Butlins, it was quite normal to leave kids in a chalet, and the baby sitting service would nip round and listen for crying every hour or so. If crying was heard it would be announced over the tannoys all over the camp, including the bars and clubs!
     
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  25. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    They're both doctors and so were probably never on the breadline.
     
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  27. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I never quite understand the animosity towards the McCanns.

    We have no good reason to conclude they were involved in their daughter's disappearance (despite what Inspector Hound might of sniffed) and while they may have done something that now looks unwise, as ZZ says, lot's of people are a bit loose in their behaviour on holiday. It was a gated holiday park - none of the friends seem to have concluded it was obviously wrong. In the event it was.

    It seems very harsh. April Jones (5) was playing alone outside her house when she was abducted. Quite rightly no one blamed her mother, it would be grotesque to do so. The McCann's however can have any kind of shyte thrown at them. Gosh they managed to become doctors and what with her with a humble background. Suspicious. It seems an example of reverse snobbery.

    As for the McCann's profile, this has ensured the case has received more than its fair share of attention and resources. But I imagine if you lost a child all bets would be off. You would do anything. But who cares really? Just ignore them if you don't want to hear it.
     
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  28. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    I would agree it’s unlikely they have done anything wrong. What I can’t get my head around is how they have managed to get so much publicity around Madeline as there must be hundreds of missing persons that barely get any coverage. Some of the negatives are more around the Excessive publicity, but I guess that is not there fault
     
  29. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Two reasons. Firstly, as professionals they were more skilled at using the media than most, to get continued coverage to keep the case alive. Secondly, Maddie was a particularly pretty little girl, which has always made for good front page photos.

    I wonder if Clive would have been so sour about the McCanns if they had been unwaged proletarians from anywhere but Liverpool?
     
  30. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    Does this feel a bit like a cat being thrown on the table to anyone else? In terms of what’s going on with the virus and the protests, someone knows that the press, especially the tabloids will lap up anything to do with the McCanns.

    I thought the same when the Shemima Begum story was massive just before the original Brexit deadline.

    Maybe I’ve just gotten used to there only being one news story for so long.
     
  31. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    I honestly think that most parents have done something similar or worse.

    Personally, I am not sure I would have left the kids in that situation, but pre Maddy, that would have probably have been in case they wake up and start running around, rather than because one would have been taken from their bed.

    How many parents drink alcohol whilst in charge of kids, even if the kids are asleep upstairs?

    How many parents have made what turned out to be the wrong judgement as kids grow up even though it is natural to wrap kids up in cotton wool. Go up the slide? When do we let them play outside? Cross the road? Go to a shop? Stay in on their own, or for how long? It is easy for others to say "I would never have done that", but usually they will loosen the reigns for someone else to else it was too early.

    And reading the publicity. It is a sad refection on society, but when a victim is cute, pretty, handsome or linked to a celebrity (accompanied by nice photos and/videos), the crime will get far more publicity, and then it's a case of just feeding the frenzy.
     
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  32. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    I don't get it either. Yes, they made a mistake I certainly wouldn't have done in leaving the kids alone, but that doesn't justify the bizarre hatred directed at them from some quarters. Most parents have made at least one glaring error or bad judgement call with their kids. They just usually get away with it.
     
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  33. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    They should be praised for getting the excess publicity. Christ, wouldn't you do everything you could to keep your child's picture on the front of every tabloid for as long as possible, esp if there's a slim chance that you are clinging to that she could have been abducted.
     
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  34. Hornpete

    Hornpete Squad Player

    According to the news this morning, tis because she isn't black.
     
  35. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Sadly anything that makes the news that long will attract the ‘conspiracy theorists’. For them to have done it they would have needed for all of their friends to have covered for them and there is no way that would’ve happened. As I said previously though, it wasn’t so much leaving them alone that was negligent but to leave them in that specific room, based on its proximity to the road and the fact it was out of view of where they were sitting. There are plenty of rooms in that hotel directly visible from where they were sitting. They could’ve even seen in through the balconies.
     
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