LGBT school lessons protests

Discussion in 'Taylor's Tittle-Tattle - General Banter' started by Lloyd, May 21, 2019.

  1. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Are the (mainly Muslim) parents that are protesting about their children being taught about LGBT issues in primary school being homophobic or are the teachers who are forcing this curriculum on their Islamic pupils being Islamaphobic? I can’t decide but I’m thoroughly enjoying watching the Labour party, Guardian, BBC etc etc squirm as they try to work out whether Islam trumps gay rights or vice versa in the ‘tolerance’ stakes
     
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  2. The correct answer is A).

    it's quite simple. If you want your child to be taught hate, don't expect it on the public ***. And if you pay for the privilege, expect that school to be shut down.

    Blue ***.
    Great ***.
    Long-tailed ***.
    Coal ***.
     
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  3. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Who is squirming you trouble making twunt? Give some evidence or GTFO.

    It’s not a difficult question in the slightest under equalities legislation. Parents have no right to demand that gay people are somehow erased from the curriculum.
     
  4. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Please learn to engage with posters without immediate recourse to personal insults. By the way, as soon as you typed the word 'twunt' you lost the argument you were desperately seeking to start
     
  5. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Answer the question.

    And while you are at it try to ask one without immature baiting. It’s simply evidence of your own problems with these sorts of issues.
     
  6. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    Sorry Moose I disagree. It's a perfectly acceptable post and question posed and it's been taken personal pretty much straight away with an insult.
     
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  7. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    'Ignore' option activated. Goodbye Moose
     
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  8. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    From a personal point of view if a kid is state educated then they attend the curriculum lessons which should be secular.

    Whilst regions should be taught in school to aid understanding & tolerance, the state shouldn't fund religious schools and religious teaching.
     
  9. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    How pathetic. Another right wing WUM cries off rather than answers a question.

    Lloyd, don’t cry!
     
  10. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    While I tend to agree, for historical reasons there are lots of religious organisations, mostly Christian, involved in education. Many of them do a good job and balance the demands of modernity well. I’m not sure that the state shouldn’t continue to fund them.
     
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  11. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    Fair point, but they should have to teach the core curriculum in an unbiased secular way and also not be able to use religion to discriminate for entry purposes.
    Funding religious teaching from the public purse make me nervous.
     
  12. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    The trouble is, one man's 'hate crime' is another man's firmly held religious conviction and religion is as protected under equalities legislation as the right to be homosexual
     
  13. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Are you Ok Moose - you do seem to have over- reacted incredibly to the opening post ?
     
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  14. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Your right to hold religious conviction is protected, but not its corollaries. So you may passionately believe the second coming will arrive with floods and fire, but the state is not required to make preparations for it.
     
  15. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I’m fine, enjoying myself.

    You must see Lloyd is simply looking to wind up anyone to the left of him (most humans). He just wants people to condemn Muslims and then condemn over zealous gay activists. I merely kicked him into touch for his unhelpfulness.
     
  16. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Your right to throw a punch ends where someone else's nose begins.

    It's not a difficult concept, but people seem to struggle all the same.
     
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  17. This. Believe what ever gobbledegook you want to, but if that belief comes into conflict with the law of the land and/or societal norms, you lose.
     
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  18. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    Local MP Jess Phillips had it bang on when she said "I don’t agree that you get to pick and choose which equality you can and can’t have" to the aggressive protester outside the school.

    Certainly an interesting one where the principles of numerous religions violate human rights.
     
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  19. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    Completely agree. Also, no one is giving these children any say in their religious choice. The indoctrination process is all systems go from before they are old enough to process it all rationally and make their own choices.

    Of course if it was left until the child was old enough they would probably think the religion absurd, controlling and judgmental and want nothing to do with it.
     
  20. RookeryDad

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    Posed like the natural heir to Dimbleby.
     
  21. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Islam = hate?

    Did I misunderstand?

    Hopefully, I tripped on a double negative or something.
     
  22. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Lunchtime drinking?

    Hopefully.
     
  23. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    An odd view.

    You sound like a Victorian muscular Christian.

    Are you confusing your JCs?
     
  24. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    The side of the argument you choose is getting a little tedious RD. The OP kicked off with a strawman ‘the lefties and liberals are squirming’ delighted that there may be dischord between gay people and Muslim people. He’s not evidenced this crass accusation, just flounced.

    Is that how you want debates posed?

    It’s how populism works. It suggests grounds for difference and distrust. Rubbishes the attempts to reconcile or fairly administrate.
     
  25. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Well done, RP.

    The first person to mention or, quite possibly even consider, the most important & fragile part of the equation.

    The kids.

    One does wonder where the increasingly rabid identity politics, currently fashionable, will lead us.

    Polarised nastiness looks like the bookies’ favourite.

    Maybe Sting was right to retire to cultivate his own garden.
     
  26. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I’m not a god botherer, but plenty are nice people who do good jobs. In a plural society there can be different voices and we need good schools.

    I’m not advocating setting up lots of faith schools nor excusing them from the curriculum. It’s just they don’t need instant abolition.
     
  27. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Football Moose is fantastic.

    Politics Moose is no reconciler.

    In primary schools, kids should be taught values rather than dogma. It shocks me that religious groups dominate the education of so many 5-10 year olds.

    Ideologues really have no place here.

    Which also means that an overt gay agenda is pretty difficult to support.

    7 year olds have no real understanding of sex or sexuality.

    Let their comprehension of the world unfurl. Let them enjoy their brief innocence.

    Anyway, Moose, peace, bro.

    It is an unlikely triumph of GT that our orbits have collided.
     
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  28. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    I would ‘nationalise’ them.

    It’s been the most egregious example of organisational capture in our country since the war.

    The same cool bods can run them but as good citizens rather than as the anointed.
     
  29. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    My son went to a faith school as an infant, something I was sceptical about, because I’m sceptical of religion. It was very nearby though. The lack of godbothering was quite extraordinary.

    I wouldn’t have done it for later years, but if I wanted to reform education I wouldn’t start there. It would be with useless new academies that worship mammon.
     
  30. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Fair enough, I merely ask you view the OP with a critical eye.
     
  31. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    It is interesting and something that is worthy of grown up discussion – no matter how uncomfortable that discussion makes us feel.

    Is Islam incompatible with certain human rights? Should freedom of expression be curtailed to protect religious sentiments? As the West’s Muslim population grows, I think it is inevitable these are issues that will have to be addressed.

    But then, I’m a right wing lunatic
     
  32. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    It’s really not difficult. Those parents are not going to hold sway any more than all the Christians who got so upset about gay marriage. They moved on, well some of them have and so will most of these people.

    Away from these few, the majority of Muslim people don’t care about what other people do any more than you do.

    And in respect of the school, diversity is little more at early years than maybe when families are represented the odd one will have two dads or two mums, reflective merely of the school gates.

    This is not a big battle of the civilisations type issue. Kindly don’t make it so.

    Liked, because you are a right wing lunatic and self knowledge is to be applauded.
     
  33. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    In a survey for the notoriously right wing broadcaster, Channel 4, 52 per cent of Muslims polled said homosexuality should be a crime.

    The inconvenient truth is that gay rights clash with Islamic teachings and that is the real issue here. But, of course, the left choose to stay within their comfort zone and focus instead on the preposterous notion that elements of the right are using the schools protests to fan the flames of division between LGBTs and Muslims.
     
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  34. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Ah, the mask slips and Lloyd reveals his concerns, mad Muslims and their lefty enablers.

    It’s almost as if he never intended to have a debate and had already made his mind up.

    Tell us Lloyd, how were you voting when the Tories introduced Section 28 to ban any mention of homosexuality back in the day? When did you see the light? What changed your mind? Would such rationality work on others?
     
  35. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Why focus on Muslims? Gay rights clash with the vast majority of religions, including our own state religion. It was only in 1967 that the UK partially decriminalised homosexuality, and then only in England and Wales. It took until 1980 for partial decriminalisation in Scotland. It wasn't until 1981 that Northern Ireland caught up, thanks for the evil EU making a ruling in the EHCR overturning Northern Ireland's law making it a crime. Meanwhile, it took the Isle of Man until 1992 to repeal their laws.

    Alan Turing got a posthumous pardon a mere 6 years ago.

    Lets not pretend this is a Muslim issue. It's fundamentally dishonest. There are plenty of white British Christians who would happily re-criminalise homosexuality. Remember section 28? Labour tried to repeal it in 2000 and Tory MPs voted against it (it was finally repealed in 2003).

    There are plently of recent laws in the UK that are discriminatory to the LGBT community, and many of them were only changed thanks to ECHR rulings. It wasn't until 2016 that we officially repealed the legislation banning homosexuals from serving in the armed forces.

    We don't get to pretend otherwise and point the finger at Muslims.
     
    Last edited: May 22, 2019
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