Discussion in 'General Football & Other Sport' started by wfc4ever, Jan 11, 2019.

  1. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    No wonder they are doing well ..

    Leeds manager has admitted spying on all his opponents so far this season so Derby aren't the only ones affected!
  2. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    Did he watch The Football League Show?
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  3. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    Just Bielsa being weird to distract from the fact that as usual, his team are flagging half way through the season.
  4. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    I’ve read a couple of articles now, maybe he’s not just being weird!
  5. Carpster

    Carpster Reservist

    They looked good tonight. Not seen much championship football this season but this was OK. Pontus even though had little to do defensively looks like a right good player. Very mobile for a big fella, good on the ball and has quite a bite to his tackling. Looks like we missed out on this fella.
  6. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    Bielsa has called a press conference at 5pm. Some big news apparently.
  7. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

    Either he's pregnant or they have just signed Pereyra.
  8. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Or his translator has..
  9. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Yeah he's going to tell the football world he can do what he likes.
  10. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    He's come out and admitted that he's spied not just on Derby, but on every single opponent this season!!

    Quite an admission. Hopefully Leeds will be docked 3 points for every time they've done this.
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  11. Lloyd

    Lloyd Reservist

    Good for him! Shoot the hostage! What a pathetic fuss over nothing.
  12. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Franklampardly, it seems a bit daft to me. "Spying"? He's done nothing more than simple scouting of a training session.

    In a sport plagued by diving, injury feigning and tactical fouling, the idea that scouting an opposition's training sessions is somehow over the line seems farcical to me.
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  13. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Love the fact he then discussed every Derby weakness in public to prove his point. He's taken old Frankie's boys to the cleaners for whining.
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  14. Although most Leeds supporters can't read they have been greatly impressed by all the pretty colours
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  15. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    He's a man of principle and honesty. It's not as if no clubs or managers have spied on their opponents from time immemorial to gain information before games. A storm in a teacup with no doubt the Argentine element thrown in perhaps for good measure.

    Bielsa has always managed to get his teams to play attractive football on limited budgets and yes his playing style can see dips in form when players get tired but he is a character and a very good manager to boot. Despite his failure with Argentina in 2002 when the team had players who were exhausted by long seasons and a failure to pick players like Aimar and Crespo instead of an ageing Batistuta for example he had that team playing the best football on the planet in the two years previously.

    He also donated a couple of million pounds to the club that formed him and shaped him Newells Old Boys to finance a new player centre and training complex.
  16. LPC213

    LPC213 Reservist

    Nothing wrong with it in the slightest.

    Game tapes are readily available with a host of stats which will tell you far more about how teams actually play than watching training.

    Its not like he bugged every other teams tactical briefing rooms or whatever they're called.
  17. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    There's nothing wrong with compiling a dossier on your opponents, but there is a right way and a wrong to do it.

    I've seen nothing but praise for Bielsa's conduct, which I find appalling. Is everyone's moral code in the gutter these days?

    You cannot turn up uninvited to an opposition's training ground and spy on them. Everyone knows that is unethical, even Bielsa, or else he would have been up front about it before Derby busted his spy.

    Now he has been found out, he decided to style it out, which is what people have been so impressed with. He's not honest, or else he would not have done what he did in the first place. All he's done is admit what he did in great detail, in order to diffuse the situation. Playing the cultural "I didn't know anything was wrong card".

    The FA/EFL have to act against him and/or Leeds United. He has admitted what he has done, so if the FA/EFL do nothing, they are actually condoning his unethical behaviour.

    Now, I don't know which rules, if any, have been broken, so we'll have to see what punishment is handed out, but it has to be the most severe that can be given.
  18. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    If he hasn't broken any rules, how can they punish him?

    You can't retrospectively create criminal offences.
  19. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    Why has this event, that has not broken any rules, got more coverage than Everton/Silva definite rule breaking?
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  20. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    He's the greatest manager we've never had. I'd sack the wretched gracia tomorrow and wheel this nutter in. He's made lampard look like an utter ****.
  21. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    It's down to the Football League to interpret the offense. It's going to be something around ethics, code of conduct or fair play/sportsmanship. Not sure what punishment they can levy, but I hope they go for the severest possible charge, rather than slap him on the back with a wink, saying "what a lad".
  22. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    It's got more coverage, because Bielsa has played the media perfectly. They love him now.
  23. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    I don't imagine they'll slap him on the back. But if it's not a specific offence I'm sure it will be in time for the start of next season.
  24. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    I feel sorry for the bloke that's had to 'spy' on the training sessions of teams like Reading and Rotherham - how ******* dull must that be, in fact, any training session other than a Barcelona must be tediously dull.
  25. Isn't there some sort of charge than can be brought against players for ungentlemanly or un sporting conduct, could one of these charges possibly be brought against Beilsa?
  26. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Thing is how are they going to stop Leeds keep doing this? - they will just keep trying to spy on other teams and hope they aren't caught.
  27. Hussar

    Hussar Academy Graduate

    Takes his responsibilities beyond the call of duty per BBC:
    Leeds' opponents on Saturday, Stoke City, will be under the charge of new boss Nathan Jones for just the third time, so what has Bielsa done?
    "We analysed the 26 games he played with L*t*n and we analysed the tactical structures he used."
  28. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Sounds like cruel and unusual punishment to me. What a horrific human rights breach.
  29. Aberystwyth_Hornet

    Aberystwyth_Hornet Squad Player

    I'm sure they'll address it in the same way they addressed us signing all the players on loan, but if Leeds have not broken any rules they can't be punished. Simple.

    Also I'm sure one of the BBC pundits said it is fairly common when teams were training on pitches prior to European and international games.

    It's not right, but I wonder if any other clubs have attempted similar in the past
  30. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    In the modern game it's not really done, as there is plenty of footage and analysis data available.

    What Leeds have done, is disrespectful to other clubs. The guy they employed apparently had binoculars, wire cutters and was wearing a Derby County tracksuit. They probably had a tracksuit for every Championship club.

    It's unethical, calculating and shows what type of club they are. You don't get the nickname 'Dirty Leeds' for nothing.

    After all the gloating their fans showed after they beat us in that promotion match, I really hope they get punished by the football authorities, although I doubt it will be all that severe.
  31. Diamond

    Diamond Squad Player

    What's the problem?
  32. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    If you feel that strongly about ethics why do you support Barcelona ? Their last sponsor is an extension of a regime that abuses human rights and whose players for the most part are willing to con the referee when they can lie Bournemouth do.

    It's a storm in a teacup as most managers during their time have done the same. Bielsa prepares his teams to the extreme in order to gain the best results. I should think most fans would like to think their managers do the same and take their jobs very seriously. His tactics and style of play are employed in a modified fashion at Barcelona and the coterie of managers that have worked with him and learnt from him is an impressive list. The English game has hardly been a model of virtue if one takes off the purple tinted glasses. One for instance need only to go back to 1966 for example to see how many countries and teams saw that as a disgrace.
  33. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    I support Barcelona because I was born there. My support does not waver because of a sponsor or because of your opinion of how their players behave.

    The debate is not about studying the opposition, but it's about being sneaky and spying through hedges in order to do it, and this practise being sanctioned by the club.

    If your moral compass is in the gutter, then it doesn't matter, all is well by fair or foul means, but some people have the opinion that standards have to be set and adhered to. There is a right way and a wrong way to do things .

    This debate has been very interesting, as it has divided football opinion. I think it says more about the individual than anything else. Those that think it's ok, I would suggest are the dishonest types. The type of people that would cut corners, without a conscience, in order to get ahead. Those that think it's not ok, are the type that would naturally do the right thing most situations.

    If you found £1 in the vending machine at work, what would you do? Eject the money, put it on the side with a little note saying where you found the money......or would you pretend you've put the money in, buy something and move away quickly in case you are spotted.
  34. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    So the Leeds cheats are banished from the Stoke City training ground...….and hey presto......they lose!!. Coincidence.....I think not.

    Bielsa "My pre-match preparations were thrown into chaos. I could not see the Stoke team's set pieces in the build up to the game because they stopped us from attending. How the hell can you be expected to get good results under such unfair restrictions?
    What did they do, yes, they scored two goals from set-pieces, so you can see it has had a direct influence on our result today."
  35. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    Or possibly people in the first category just think there are more important things to worry about in life (and football).
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