Getting rave reviews at Forest?? https://www.planetfootball.com/quic...t-man-utds-james-garner-at-nottingham-forest/
This is my honest opinion, to my eyes he looked worse than our own players. We’re towards the top of the table and one of the better teams. Forest are a rubbish team and towards the bottom, hence he looks good. How would any of our midfielders look in that Forest team?
They're easily pleased up at Forest. Happens when a club has languished in the doldrums for years. We used to get excited about loanees just because they were a cut above the regular dross we had. If he's doing well for them then great but he didn't show nearly enough here and his attitude when his sub on against Milwall was canned showed it was the right choice to let him go. The Man Utd social media content factory will continue to churn out positive PR for him regardless of what he does, so really I take it with a pinch of salt.
It's utterly bizarre the hype that surrounds this guy. He's ok, but nothing special and is a kid learning the game. Nothing more than that. These United fans keep going on about "how do Watford feel now?" I'm not sure what is driving this, but I don't think I've ever seen a player so praised for average performances. I've seen him getting man of the match performances, and I've watched the game and thought he was poor. It's a bit crazy. Forest fans can carry on saying he's brilliant, United fans can continue to say we're missing out on a wonderful player......whereas we all know the truth. A promising young kid, learning the game, but not at the level for a promotion chasing team.
He played well on Saturday and deserved to be Man of the Match. I've seen him on a couple of other occasions for Forest and he was ok in a poor side. As for the Man U fans wittering on about him like he's the Messiah,I would advise them to get their own team and especially midfield in order. If he was that good he would be starting for them.
It is very bizarre. It’s such a simple situation, he wasn’t better than our own players so hence wasn’t a regular starter. A premier league team doesn’t loan a championship team a player to sit on the bench, they could put them on their own bench if that was the case. So he was sent to a club where he’d start every game, why do these Utd fans think we’d go to the trouble of loaning a player and then if they’re supposedly that good, not play them?
love reading man utd fans on twitter about him. They are a strange breed. He wasnt good enough for us, but is good enough for forest. That tells me he will never ever ever be good enough for man utd. Quite how the drooling red hordes cannot follow this logic is beyond me.
Must just be big club entitlement/arrogance. As a group of fans I think we’d be far more likely to be pessimistic about one of our own players in a similar situation. Not saying we all would be, but it would be a more general theme. Also not saying that’s right. But Man Utd fans, being extremely arrogant cannot compute any other scenario than a product of their youth team being anything other than a world beater.
Probably bit of a hero up there just for scoring against Derby. He might be playing well but Forest aren’t the most attacking team so how much influence is he having in that area ? Easy to be solid and pass the ball backwards and sideways.
Easy one this, judging him now is daft. Let's see where he is in 3/4 years then make a measured call on his ability and progress. If he's first choice in United's team by then, fair play. My bet is he'll either still be out on loan at a Championship side or picked up on a free by one. I might be proved wrong, but on what we saw earlier this season that's my hunch now. It really is too early though to start shouting and screaming about how (as Football Manager might say), he's touted as the next Michael Carrick etc etc...
With MU on his CV, I expect a Muff, CP or WHU will end up paying £20m for him before he slips into obscurity....
To be honest I think he had a rather good game against Brentford. Won the ball several times. Made a surging run forward with a nice one two and sprayed some nice passes forward. He is essentially a defensive midfielder so aiming to retain the ball through short passes is often a must as well as trying a searching long through ball or pass. He did not live up to the billing when he was here aside from a bright start where we thought we had hit the jackpot (I think Blackburn did with Elliot) but then again a lot of players did not thrive under the system Ivic was using. He will be hard pressed to get into the first team at Salford but he is one worth waiting and seeing how he develops given his age.
A younger, more defensive Jurado. Neat and tidy, technically accomplished but does next to nothing that actually affects a game at either end of the pitch.
He had never played senior football before he joined us. I thought he did fine, but wasn't going to be a regular. Glad to see him playing. Looking at the loanees we've had, Townsend, Drinkwater and Rose somehow won England caps and/or titles despite being hopeless here. Hard to judge him on a few games.
How many MU fans had actually seen him play? Some on MUTV I suppose, but do the youth teams get many viewers?
I thought he started out alright and, after a few games, faded. Of course, he was playing under Ivic, so who was looking good then? I recall some of the other loanees playing for us when they were very young: To the unprofessional eye, they didn't impress. I remember Rose having an absolutely disastrous game for us up at Norwich - he was taken off in a hurry. Cathcart, as a very young man, was costing us too many points with unforced errors. I think his 'injury' was a face-saving device to get him back to Old Trafford. The problem with these early-learners is their talents balanced against their inexperience: Garner was taking up a place in our first team and we had better replacements. As has been pointed out, Forest are not as good as us this season and he could well be much better for them now. He may turn out to be a good player, (I'm not convinced), but he was costing us by playing. The Man U raving praise thing is interesting: Is someone bigging him up to boost his sales potential, because they don't want him? Or is it just a bunch of Man U fans, average age 16, strutting around? I also wonder who initiated his move to Forest: Was it Watford, politely saying 'Er, no, thanks but no thanks'. Was it Man U, saying 'he must have game time'? Or was it him, throwing a strop or maybe wanting to be nearer his girlfriend? The thick plottens....
Exactly...a spotty Manc Jurado. Neat, tidy, practically zero real impact on the game in the areas that matter. Isn't he the same age as JP? JP looked better playing his only ever game in midfield for us than anything I've seen from Garner. Cleverley & Lansbury made appreciably more impact for us when they were young loanees here. I doubt Garner will even reach the level of Cleverley.
I read a comment from one of the ManUre academy coaches saying it was the "change of head coach" at Watford that precipitated the termination of the loan. The way he said it gave the impression that it is not an unusual situation, that the new incumbent makes it clear he's not planning to give the loanee the hoped-for game time, so the parent club triggers the recall.
He was OK, a bit of a nothing player, looks like he's doing well at Forest so fair play to him and thanks for the MotM performance at the weekend, but he wouldn't get in our team now. He'd be firmly in the Gosling/Sanchez category of backup/impact sub, so no real harm done
Cleverley is a former England international and played for United pretty regularly the last time they won the league, any player will be proud to live up to that tbf!
Yes, but the way his performances are being lauded by these ManUre fans suggests they believe he’ll be nearer to Scholes than Cleverley. Not sure the latter is really considered anything better than ‘OK’ by most of them.
OGS said that before we played them but then Munoz had only been in charge of 2 games so guess something must have said. Maybe Garner didn't like what he Xisco was going to bring to the team and his development? Cleverley was at Man U a long time but don't think their fans thought much of him tbh - bit like Foster. Mind you he probably was being compared to a Keane/Butt/Scholes.
He will never be as good as Man Utd players claim he will be. But some of the criticism on here is just as skewed as United’s praise. Reminds me of what some fans on here said about Cathcart. He was fairly decent here, albeit inconsistent as you’d expect from a young player. He did absolutely fine given he largely had Deeney and Gray to aim for up front, and would have been a good option to rotate in and out of the side in this formation. We’ve done well results-wise since he left, but I’d prefer him to Gosling and Sanchez, despite the latter two not doing much wrong. He’d suit the current fluidity and movement of our midfield and forwards. If he works hard, he’ll go on to have a Cleverley type of career, I think.
As with last time, you need a bit of experience to cope with the pressure of a promotion push, hence Watson & Connolly were what were required last time rather than Belerin who we had the season before and Chalobah the season before that. Gosling has done it before and would presumably handle it better.
I agree about Bellerin, but I thought Chalobah had plenty about him right from the start. And wasn't he only 17 when he first came to us? Maybe I'm mis-remembering.
Chalobah at 17 was miles ahead of Garner at 19 and it certainly wasn't the former's fault we didn't go up in 12/13.
Not to mention the roles were reversed when he came to us. We finished 16th, so we were a below average Championship team with average championship players, like Forest are. He would’ve stood out and he did. Now we’re pushing for promotion with a squad peppered with players who have performed well at PL level at points within their career. To be fair to Garner he either had to be absolutely incredible to be picked every game, otherwise under our circumstances we can’t afford a player who needs to learn on the job. Fine for Forest and us pre pozzo, but no good to us now. Yes, in an ideal world we could’ve kept him as cover, but that would be entirely pointless from Utds point of view. Not to mention if we’re going down that route we should’ve kept Quina before we’d considered trying to keep Garner.
Utd fans seem to have it in their heads he's the reincarnation of Carrick They are going to be mighty disappointed
Yes...hypothetically, if we had this set-up, and we had a few injuries, he *could* have produced this form for us (by no means guaranteed as a young lad might have cracked under the pressure), but it's not something we could have guaranteed both him and United. Oh well, happy with Gosling and Sanchez so far
How do we feel now? We feel great, 9 wins in 10 and 6 points clear in second place. I'm glad they're concerned lol.
It's quite funny to compare that group of players to Cleverley, Lansbury and Chalobah (and maybe even Jordan Mutch). They were outstanding, and looked a cut above with us but have never really fulfilled the promised they showed with us. You can add Bellerin to that list above too. He looked bang average with us.
