It’s really all Deeney isn’t it?

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by ITK platypus, Dec 29, 2019.

  1. ITK platypus

    ITK platypus Reservist

    I mean Deeney gets his first long term injury and it coincides with Watford having an anomalously bad run of form. I wondered then how much was due to the loss of Deeney.
    Deeney returns from injury, Watford are good again.
    I think it was all just Deeney. If I could be bothered to put together the stats it would be very hard to argue against it.
     
  2. Hornpete

    Hornpete Squad Player

    Its more the new social media girl and her seasick selfie videos
    .
     
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  3. It's the new soft toilet paper at London Colney

    Do your own research
     
  4. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    Yes, let’s give QSF his job back now.
     
  5. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Reservist

    We have missed a leader on the pitch, and having him back has been a bonus. But he is not the sole reason for our diabolical start to this season.
    People on here have gone over this many times, and you can point the blame at several key things. Poor management, poor pre season preparation,
    weak mentality, player attitude - the list is almost endless.

    Losing Deeney was a blow, but the fact he started the season with an injured ankle is beyond me. It should of been sorted sooner than it was, and the fact
    he was running on it made it worse. Had Deeney been fully fit, there is no real way to tell if Gracia would of worked out, or QSF's appointment would of
    even happened. It's how we started, and we cannot change that. Yes we are playing better at the moment and the feel good factor is back, and I put that
    mainly down to Pearson and Co. and working with the players much closer than other managers did.

    Was it a lack of effort before under QSF/Gracia? Maybe. But we didn't play like we wanted to go down. The slapping at Manchester City was pathetic
    and all the players had nowhere to hide after that. QSF had no idea how to motivate the side - and although he drilled us better defensive. we were still
    piss poor up front. Not that much has changed even now. but with Sarr playing much more freely he is getting forward more.


    So Deeney was a miss yes - but he is not the reason we had a poor start. In my view.
     
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  6. Hornet4ever

    Hornet4ever WFC Forums Last Man Standing Winner 2018/2019

    Who knows.

    The club need to do a full investigation as to how & why the rot set in, so it can never happen again.

    Sarr has given the team a new outlet & his raw qualities are also a big factor. Credit to NP for having so much faith in him so soon.

    Interesting to read other fans now backing us to do the escape. Let's hope they're right. At the moment I still need a little bit more convincing.
     
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  7. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Tbf he can take a good penalty so if we keep getting them we might be ok.
     
  8. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    She is incredibly irritating.
     
  9. Squibba

    Squibba Predictor Choker 14/15

    We lost 3-0 and 1-0 in the two games he played in to start the season with.
     
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  10. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    Deeney is perfect for a relegation dog fight, and he is part of the reason why we are starting to pick-up results (along with Nige and the form of Sarr). I do think he has to play at his absolute maximum to be effective, and after 5 years in the Premier, he should be a back-up option rather than a starter.
     
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  11. Guy

    Guy Squad Player

    Despite his goals yesterday still think he's gone a long way back from his championship days

    useful as a captain and defending set pieces, anyone confident he would have scored if not pushed over for the penalty?

    My issue with him and was interesting to hear him say in his interview that Pearson is setting him goals/tragetas which other coaches weren't. Does this mean Pearson wants him to actually get into goal scoring positions rather than shying way from showing in the box
     
  12. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    I know you’re joking, but seeing those words written down, even sarcastically, makes me feel physically sick.
     
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  13. CleyHorn

    CleyHorn Reservist

    have x 3. In two sentences!
     
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  14. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Reservist

    I'm sorry teacher, my English is poor today. Do I have extra homework? :p
     
  15. Corrected for you.
     
  16. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    Easy on the eye however.
     
  17. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    Hmm.

    Improved performances on the pitch. Still think he has some way to go to be a good captain. Roaring at the Rookery during positive moments seems to be what he does to mask his drawbacks as a leader. It’s going to take more than 2 penalties and a scuffed tap-in to convince me he’s a good striker though.

    Good when things are going our way but when the chips are down, like against Sheffield United, he doesn’t do the basics of his job well enough.
     
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  18. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Reservist

    Is that ConnieBear or whatever her Twitter handle is? Yeah she posted a very small vid of herself in the bath.... i mean, yeah.
     
  19. Leighton Buzzer

    Leighton Buzzer Reservist

    I think CleyHorn was giving you praise rather than criticism there Skyla!
     
  20. Carpster

    Carpster Reservist

    Gone back over his performance against Villa. Troy was involved with virtually every decent chance we had. Dominated the two centre backs of Villa. Won headers, decent control, good passes from his feet and head. Should of buried his chance earlier but was in the right position. A real captains performance and he will only get better. Goals breed confidence, don't care if they're scuffs or penalties they all count. Is he our best central forward? 100%. Gray has no control, he's weak in a challenge, doesn't win headers, doesn't link play, has no composure. A lower league player who has got lucky and quite frankly a waste of a shirt. If any club wants him he should be gone ASAP.
     
  21. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    I’m not discounting his performance against Villa. I’m not doubting he is our best striker currently (unless Joao Pedro is introduced and shows different). I’m saying one swallow doesn’t makes a summer as far as Deeney is concerned. I have no problems with him when the team are in full flow - but I look more to him as a captain when the going gets tough - and in those moments he drifts into CM, throws his arms about and is behind play. And then roars at the Rookery/Away End when we get a corner to mask it all and show what a ‘leader’ he is. It’s about more than that. But I think he knows that the majority of our fanbase are sucked in by that kind of thing. He’s started an uphill curve in the last two home games - but was dreadful against Sheffield United. I hope he can change that going forward.
     
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  22. Carpster

    Carpster Reservist

    Yes I can see that opinion. But at this point we have nobody at all who can replace him. I put in another thread that Gray and Success should be moved on to find a real threat for Deeneys spot.
    His display going forward against Sheffield United was inept. But the whole team going forward that day was poor really.
     
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  23. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    Again I agree. But this thread isn’t about picking him because we have no one better. It seems to be about eulogising Deeney regardless of that.
     
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  24. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    More so than the performances, the loss of Deeney exposed the lack of connection between most of the playing staff and the fans. Deeney gets the fans going, which pumps up the players. He leads from the front, which inspires those behind him to graft harder.

    You need great skill to play in the EPL but without heart, character or resilience you're in a lot of trouble.

    Sure he's about as slow as a footballer solving a cryptic crossword, but I do think the team is markedly better when he plays. And that's the most important thing.
     
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  25. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    What a difference it has made having Deeney back. Brilliant again today.
     
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  26. LutherB

    LutherB Academy Graduate

    It a Deeney, Sarr, Pearson, Z Cars quad whammy.

    And keeping the Moose.
     
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    Forzainglese Reservist

     

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  28. LutherB

    LutherB Academy Graduate

    WE’VE GOT SUPER NIGEL PEARSON,
    HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED.
    WITH CATHCART AT THE BACK,
    DEENEY IN ATTACK,
    HE’S GONNA KEEP US IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE.......
     
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  29. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    This is the Ole's at the wheel chant right?
     
  30. I Blame Bassett

    I Blame Bassett Squad Player

    I had an aunt that appeared to spend most of her life in the bath.
    Born out of her time,clearly!
     
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