(22) Isaac Success

Discussion in 'The Team Bus' started by UpUpAndAway, Oct 2, 2016.

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Success in or out

  1. In

    64.0%
  2. Out

    36.0%
  1. luke_golden

    luke_golden Space Cadet

    Fair play to him.
     
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  2. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    He must be out of contract soon (like Deeney and Gray..)
     
  3. luke_golden

    luke_golden Space Cadet

    Damn.

    Brutal, but completely fair.

    El D coming strong with the truth tonight.
     
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  4. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Incredible that we immediately gave him another five year contract after the one short period that he actually showed some form in the autumn of 2018. It's almost like the club panicked...
     
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  5. Was important to secure the clubs crown jewels.
     
  6. lutonh8a

    lutonh8a Reservist

    That is very true I say that we just kidnap Ighalo tonight.
     
  7. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    I was looking at soccerbase, as I really cannot remember him playing for us!

    Last season he played 7 times, twice starting in the cup and 5 times as a sub in the PL. His most recent appearance was as a sub v Everton on 1/2/20.
    https://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=75668&season_id=152

    What is actually up with him? In this thread it never mentions what he was out injured for, when GD got his knee injury it was known. All we get from this guy is "back in training", "had set back", etc. People talk about Gray being a liability but I think Success trumps Gray in the waste of money stakes multiple times over.
     
  8. Classic example of too much money too soon. He has zero hunger to play, but plenty of hunger for the good life, baileys and ladies of the night.
     
  9. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Reservist

    At least Gray has very occasionally produced the goods for us, Success has been one massive expensive ball of nothing for us! I think it was a ruptured Achilles he picked up? Can't remember when exactly, may have been during the downtime?
     
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  10. Ágætis Byrjun

    Ágætis Byrjun Reservist

    It's all about footballing environments and I don't think that Watford is a very good environment for Isaac Success.

    Can't be easy being at a club which doesn't want you and every transfer window they're looking to ship you out on loan - especially when you can see Andre Gray getting games and you're not.
     
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  11. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Do we though?

    Been injured for the last 2 and he was in the squad last season.

    He’d probably be a good option if fit and we saw his true potential.

    I remember that Everton game.

    He came on v 10 men and hardly got the ball or fell over a lot.
     
  12. wimbornet

    wimbornet Reservist

    Same here, except without the money!
     
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  13. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    Another huge waste of money.
     
  14. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    Apart from a pulled muscle following the Spurs friendly Gray hasn't been injured, Gray obviously puts the effort in during training otherwise he wouldn't get picked to play.

    One thing is, you can't accuse Gray of is not putting an effort in, despite his poor performances.
     
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  15. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Muscle imbalance.
     
  16. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Reservist

    He's been on one loan, hasn't he? Besides, Doucoure was almost out the door under Wally, but he buckled down and worked hard, Success could have done the same thing
     
  17. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    According to Soccerbase in 2017/18 he made one appearance for us in the EFL cup at home to Bristol City, which was in the August. His next appearance was for Malaga in February 2018.

    He just seems to be continuously injured. I remember GT once saying that some players have a tendency to ignore knocks, not tell the physios and keep training and competing until it's impossible. On the flip side, there are those players who will cry off injured with next to nothing wrong with them. I remember him screaming at Ngonge during one match to keep going, who'd signalled that he wanted to come off.

    I suspect the Success is the latter of those types of player. I watched Ben Foster's video, he had a broken finger since the Rotherham match, yet kept going (he explains that it usually heals quickly), it was only after another 6 matches he was benched.
     
  18. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Reservist

    Think maybe him not living the life contributes to him getting injured all the time? Staying on the pitch despite being injured isn't a good thing anyway lol, as Foster and Kabasele are finding now
     
  19. RS2

    RS2 First Year Pro

    Wishful thinking but he could be what we need as a lone striker. He's far from perfect but can do Deeney's job of holding up the ball and he can run in behind. Ideally you could have Success through the middle which removes the need for Deeney and Gray on the pitch. Pedro, Sarr, Zinckernagel etc can then play some football hopefully. In reality we know Troy is never getting dropped but it might be an option for Head Coach no. 5 who should be appointed around April to try and get us into the playoffs.
     
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  20. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    I make you spot on. Our entire season is now balanced on his shoulders.

    It is just a shame he suffers from muscle imbalance.
     
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  21. RS2

    RS2 First Year Pro

    I'm fully aware he's going to return, have a few sub appearances and look utter dog turd.
     
  22. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    First it was "we just need Capoue to come back and we'll be ace again!", then it was Hughes. Then it was Masina. And now it is Success.

    He is quite literally the last shred of hope we have left.

    Unfortunately for us, when the going gets tough, the tough neck a bottle of Bailey's and start polling brasses.
     
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  23. Things could barely have been worse if we had given Success a 20 game half season to see what he could do
     
  24. RS2

    RS2 First Year Pro

    Might join him. As long as he doesn't try and get out of paying again.
     
  25. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Reservist

  26. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

  27. “Like a new signing”
     
  28. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    The thing is, he's probably one of those players that isn't really good enough for the Premier League but should be able to rip up the Champio...

    Oh, I can't be bothered.
     
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  29. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    He literally cannot be or perform any worse than Deeney and Gray.

    If he's fit then just play him. We won't of course, because the entire team has to revolve around a fat, past it, arrogant **** head.
     
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  30. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

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  31. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Reservist

    I really don't know if Success has it in him to be a top Championship player these days, not least because he's not played in over a year, but we might only need him to be merely competent at this level seeing as we're still somehow in the promotion picture with surely the worst 2 strikers in the division. That said, it's all irrelevant now isn't it? He ain't getting a game ahead of the usual suspects is he?
     
  32. Teide1

    Teide1 Squad Player

    Where you able to check on his mind. If so could you tell him should he ever play for us again not to keep falling over as it affects his body!
     
  33. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    We have to give him a try at least, look what happened with Murray left to rot with us, and now playing well at NF :oops:
     
  34. BeersThen

    BeersThen Academy Graduate

    excellent news, crack open the Baileys
     
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  35. magyarorszag

    magyarorszag Squad Player

    Isaac Success is possibly the only striker in the 92 clubs worse than Gray
     

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