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  1. hornmeister

    hornmeister Administrator Staff Member

  2. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

  3. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

  4. hornmeister

    hornmeister Administrator Staff Member

    Tesco down again so I've taken my usual short term small punt.
  5. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    but its not a Friday :)
  6. hornmeister

    hornmeister Administrator Staff Member

    I do have that Friday feeling though.
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  7. hornmeister

    hornmeister Administrator Staff Member

    My mistake, it was just wind.
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  8. hornmeister

    hornmeister Administrator Staff Member

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  9. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    Have you sold yet?
  10. hornmeister

    hornmeister Administrator Staff Member

    Nope up 32%
    Seriously considering more. The long term future looks good.

    This time last year it was 10% higher up to 35p. With recent news I'd say 40p was achievable. Might dump then.
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  11. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin


    Those are the sort of comments I like to see. As I have said before I'm in for the long hold, I will keep buying shares whilst they sit under 40p. My aim is really for this stock to be a main part of my portfolio for the future, so I'm not too concerned about current share price.
  12. hornmeister

    hornmeister Administrator Staff Member

    I'd advise completely agaisnt holding one stock in one of the most volatile sectors as the main part of your portfolio unless it's a portfolio of pure spare gambling money.
    Greater risk can equal greater reward, but it is also as likely to create a greater fall.

    I've invested less than 1% of my ISA portfolio in it. 5% would be my max for one stock and probably 5-10% in total for mining and resources sector.
    Attitude to risk of course varies from person to person.
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  13. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    Oh no completely agree. It only makes up 4% of stocks and shares holding. In total mining and resources only make up about 7% of my portfolio. I will probably grow that to around 10% in the medium term. At its current share price the company is significantly undervalued considering the profit it expects to make when opening. Of course there will be debts to pay back, but I would expect a healthy dividend once production is underway and a shareprice at least 5x higher than its current value (of course this is all speculation, for all I know it could go bottoms up next year).
  14. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Anyone ever bought sovereigns or britannias to hide under the floorboards? My cousin has a handful of britannias, 24 carat gold. Just holding them in my hand was an orgasmic experience, quite strange really. Around £950 a pop I think.
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  15. hornmeister

    hornmeister Administrator Staff Member

    Nope but this makes me laugh
  16. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    Stock Update - Alliance Pharma

    I have owned this stock since October last year. I bought in at £0.59 a share. Today they are currently worth £0.74p a share. That is a gain of a little over 21% in just under 6 months.

    From the FT:

    Alliance Pharma (APH)Alliance boasts solid organic revenue growth and a bedrock of highly cash-generative products, which fund the buy-and-build strategy. A forward price-to-earnings valuation of 15 times is reasonable for such a well-run company, writes Megan Boxall. The thinking behind Alliance Pharma’s recent acquisition of headlice treatment Vamousse was twofold. Firstly, it has added a third product to its ”star” portfolio, which means management thinks it has great potential for international revenue growth. Indeed, in its first two weeks under a new owner, revenues in France had already matched those generated in the whole of the previous year. Secondly, it has given the group a low-risk opportunity to enter the US — the world’s biggest healthcare market. Vamousse was developed in the US and generates 80 per cent of its sales there. Deputy chief executive Peter Butterfield said the group will continue to look for more US-born drugs to add to the portfolio.But the £16m spent on Vamousse and anaesthetic gel Ametop in December meant the group’s year-end net debt position did not quite hit management’s previous target of two times adjusted cash profits. Chief financial officer Andrew Franklin says he is now aiming to reach that level by the end of the current financial year, assuming no more acquisitions. Still, Alliance has returned to being highly cash-generative. In 2017, free cash flow rose 67 per cent to £22m, from £28m of net profits. Broker Numis expects pre-tax profits and earnings per share of £27.6m and 4.6p, respectively, in 2018, up from £24m and 4p in the reported period.

    I am not intending to add to my position at the present time, but I am very happy with the gains I have seen with Alliance. They will probably remain a part of my portfolio for a long time to come.
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  17. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    Things are moving along very nicely at the moment:

    Overall my entire portfolio is up 5%. The market turn in the last month has really helped a few of my funds recover.
  18. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    Stock Update - Alliance Pharma

    As stated previously one of my favourite stocks at the moment. I have not added to my position in the last 7 months. Back then shares were worth £0.59 a share. Today they are currently trading at £0.80. Really chuffed to bits, and seeing an overall gain 33% on my initial investment.
  19. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    Stock Update - Sirius Minerals

    Another one of my long term favourites. I added to this position multiple times, however my total investment is currently up nearly 11%. This is still a long term hold for me, however a little bit of positive movement every now and again is greatly appreciated.
  20. hornmeister

    hornmeister Administrator Staff Member

    Can't remember if I suggested the Scottish Mortgage Investment trust or not, but up 17 ddd percent for me at the moment.

    Happy with Sirius Minerals, doing well. Had a small punt on Fevertree as well. Given the amount of G&T my sister in law drinks I knew I was onto a winner.

    Yeserday I dumped half my invstment in the ishares FTSE Tracker ETF. It's at an all time high and I've got a sneaky feeling Brexit and or Korea could go pear shaped. I'll review the rest of my holding next week.
  21. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    It'll be Brexit. Korea is banana shaped:

  22. PhilippineOrn

    PhilippineOrn First Team

    Looks oddly like an upside down England.
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  23. reids

    reids Squad Player

    Got really into investing recently. Mostly been investing into S+S ISA with Vanguard, but also into individual shares with Freetrade (app that makes it easy to buy/sell shares - let me know if you want an invite and we both get a free share in something). Bought £100 worth of WH and sold them a month later for a 30% profit. Now have 1 Games Workshop share, 4 GVC shares, 5 MoneySupermarket shares and 0.2 shares (you can do fractional shares on US stocks) in Microsoft.
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  24. Video games was my tip when we went into lockdown although I didn’t invest. Sales will have been strong. Plus the new consoles are out this Xmas I think, so should remain interesting until Jan.
  25. I’ve gone with a few brewery and pub chain shares this week
  26. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    To be honest with technology shares at the moment you still haven't missed the boat if long term gain is your aim:

    Three video games software shares:

    - Ubisoft entertainment - currently valued at 67.88 euro per share. Has been as high as 80.28 euro this year, and an all time high of over 100 euro per share. Ubisoft historically has been a very interesting company to follow from its near total collapse in 2012. Historically Ubisoft experiences quick gains but also massive troughs. It has struggled to reach the heights of 2018 in recent years. That being said it is worth following at the moment, although I don't think we are at the foot of the trough. It has some big games coming out at the end of the year, chief among them Assassins Creed Valhalla. I would observe it closely and wait for the price to bottom out before buying in. Realistically if you can buy it somewhere south of 60 euro a share you will probably make money on it down the road. TENTATIVE BUY

    - Activision Blizzard - in the top 2 independent publishers in the world. I would not be buying this share at the moment. If you were quick enough to get into this before lockdown and sold at the middle of May you would have made a nice quick buck. However the share price is on its way back down and I would expect it to drop further to a normal level of $60 a share. Its not really worth investing in at the current time and I probably wouldn't unless share prices dropped below $50. The cost of individual trades would not be worth it, unless your moving thousands of units. HOLD OFF

    - Electronic Arts - the other independent giant. Currently selling at $117 dollars a share. Again if you had bought in at the start of lockdown you could have gotten these shares at a reasonable $87 dollars a share. With an all time high of nearing $150 dollars, the shares have generally struggled since generally. The release of new consoles should provide a boost to sales later in the year, but I would be cautious about buying again unless the shares get close to $80. HOLD OFF

    The issue with technology shares and particularly those in video game publishers is that they tend to be overvalued. It is quite easy to be stung if you are not monitoring your investments closely.
  27. hornmeister

    hornmeister Administrator Staff Member

    Wouldn't touch EA with a barge pole. They've a habit of screwing customers with dodgy releases, milking them with add on packs and withdrawing support early on in the product lifecycle.
    Shame because they use to present some great games.

    As Opti says it's a market that really benefits from knowledge.

    With respect to my portfolio:
    Healthcare is up to where it was before the drop, as is renewable/green energy. I've just sold a small portion of heathcare and taken profit to reduce my cost, as I think the future may well be rocky. I might ave a small bite back in early next week if the weekend drop is significant but I'll always keep a holdings of both as a long termers.

    Corp Bonds, general equities are still down(but improving), but I expected these to take a longer period to recover. I think larger UK companies have taken advantage of the generous furlough scheme and although sales have been down I think the last quarter will compensate. May be worth a nibble tomorrow. The FTSE is also I think a bit pessimistic if trackers are your bag.

    Artificial intelligence is my current volatile punt. Currently 20% up for me so again I've taken some proffit, reducing my exposure.

    I bought some Tesco shares as the slump started to recover and they've announced a sizeable dividend due 3rd July. Expect a drop then as people offload but they've coped the best imho out of the online supermarket companies given the panic buying and I think this will buy them loylaty in the customer base. Meisters top tip if it drops to 200/210p come July 4th might be worth a small punt.
  28. Aberystwyth_Hornet

    Aberystwyth_Hornet Squad Player

    Over £1450 now :eek:
  29. Diamond

    Diamond Squad Player

    Yeah sovereigns are now £340+ when you could pick them up for under £250 very recently. I've sold up.
  30. reids

    reids Squad Player

    They do, but they also make money hand over fist which is what you want as an investor!
  31. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    they certainly do make money, however they do have some pretty shady business practices.

    this doesn’t bother some investors, but might bother others. there has been a rise in recent years in conscience investing; only investing in companies with positive business practices and those that make a difference to the world. they tend to me much less profitable, but provide those who need it with some reassurance that they are not rewarding shady companies.

    on the flip side there is also sin investing, such as investing in firearms manufacturers, breweries, certain mining organisations etc. these tend to be much more rewarding financially but also much more risky in terms of investment. I personally have no qualms in these companies and have in the past invested in tobacco companies and those producing weopens.

    I personally think EA is a fairly decent stock. I wouldn’t be buying it at the moment, it is overvalued. I would still wait for the price to get sub 100.
  32. hornmeister

    hornmeister Administrator Staff Member

    Breweries, sin?

    Wash your mouth out, preferably with a single malt.
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  33. I bought Marstons at 37, I'll wait long term and sell if/when they recover >100. Plenty of opportunity in breweries.

    Profits will go to charities fighting the dog meat trade.
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  34. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    haha nothing wrong with breweries in my opinion, I am in several of them. they just don’t appear on any of the ethical funds.
  35. mrciff

    mrciff Reservist

    Did these lot go bust; did you get out in time?

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