First up, I don't reckon there's any relationship between these two things at all. Absolutely zilch. However, recently on other threads it's been assumed by a number of others that there is. Which culminated with me having a go at SkylaRose and Chumlax having a go at me. Chumlax asked me a number of questions which I answered in full (a post to which he has yet to respond) and Skyla would appear to still believe in her 'urban myth' around 'what we all know' with her recent post on the Naarch match thread. I've no agenda here to 'have a go at' individual posters but would rather explore how an 'utterly b.llocks idea' morphs into an 'urban myth' in which we are all expected to believe and 'all know' and take as 'gospel'. Well, count me out. Here is my take on how our current injury list relates to our pre-season (or rather doesn't): 1. The first injury this season I can remember was Deeney's. A persistent knee-injury that had been in the background for some time, through which he freely admitted he shouldn't have been playing early season when we were all criticising him for not 'putting in a shift'. Required surgery and time off. Nothing to do with 'pre-season'. 2. Next, the Prodl injury? Well Prodl wasn't even playing prior to Quique's arrival. Therefore it post-dates Quique's arrival which suggests to me that, if there's some generic thing going on here (which there might not be at all), it also post-dates Quique's arrival. And that there was a gap between pre-season and the 'spate of injuries' beginning. 3. Our current injury list. There are six of them. The Manure currently have eleven: - Sarr. Lower leg injury. Due to return after international break. Can't have anything to do with our pre-season seeing as he didn't have a pre-season with us. Injured post Quique's arrival. - Cleverley. Heel injury so not a muscle injury. He's had this problem before. Due to return after international break. Injured post Quique. - Quina. Groin injury. Sustained at Goodison in the LC. Possible lack of condition associated. Due to return after international break. Injured post Quique. - Prodl. See above. Muscle injury. Possible lack of condition associated. But well after pre-season. Due to return after international break. As said, again, injured post Quique. - Welbeck. Thigh injury. Injured at Spurs. Possible lack of condition attached. Nothing to do with pre-season though seeing as he didn't have one with us. Longer term - out for 2-3 months plus. He's simply crocked? Post Quique again. - Pereyra? Hamstring strain on Friday. Currently 'being assessed'. Possible lack of condition attached (under Quique). Now there have been other injuries from which players have already returned. Cathcart, Capoue, Hughes?, Doucoure? Maybe one of those occured pre-Quique? You tell me. I don't monitor other sources of info. regarding WFC other than links provided on here. But, as far as I'm aware, the daft idea of a lack of pre-season physical preparation being responsible for our current injury list hasn't been promoted elsewhere. Please correct me if I'm wrong on that. As far as I can see, all that's happened here is that someone has taken the reasonable association of the Brighton defeat with a poor pre-season, extrapolated that to our injury list and others have picked up on that and repeated it to the point where it's supposedly a truism and a fact in which we're all supposed to believe and which 'we all know'. Whereas it's actually utter b.llocks. So count me out. I beg to differ. By all means try and convince me otherwise though. If you could point to injuries sustained during Javi's reign this season (and that there was no 'gap') that might help. But I reckon you'll be hard pushed. Obviously the professional staff at our club know far more about what's going on on a day-to-day basis. But that shouldn't stop our own speculation which is what this forum is all about. But if we're to have a sensible discussion then it would really help if a social-media sponsored 'urban myth' wasn't required to be treated as 'gospel'. I trust I've made my view clear. This 'spate of injuries' may be nothing more than an unhappy coincidence. But if you require to find something more 'deep and meaningful' around it (as many would seem to) then I'd suggest that pointing to a lack of conditioning under Quique's tenure would at least make some sort of sense.