Vladimir Ivic

Discussion in 'Former Players Archive' started by Malteser2, Aug 12, 2020.

  1. Pob

    Pob Reservist

    Agreed he is pretty good. Although I get the impression 1-0 is not enough for Vlad and he aspires for more.
     
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  2. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    Should definitely have been more yesterday!
     
  3. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Only a matter of time before we give a team a hiding. It’s not like we’ve really been riding our luck at the back, that chance off the bar yesterday was really the only glaring opportunity the opposition have had in four and a half hours of football. So even though we’ll obviously let goals in, we won’t be letting many in, but it’s only got to click a little bit more up front for a hatful to go in.
     
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  4. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    Its good to see the mood being more positive on this forum now. I been saying last couple of weeks that it was too early to panic and it was a time for patience.
     
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  5. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    Dont bump your own messages just because nobody answered you. Man up and realise nobody cares for your opinion sometimes and thats ok.
     
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  6. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Yes, likewise.

    To my mind there are (broadly speaking) two types of situations with managers.

    You’ve got the new manager bounce, this generally happens when a manager has been sacked and the players stopped playing for them. The new manager in question is generally a caretaker manager or an Ex player of the club. You tend to get an instant impact, because the players start playing again, they want to prove the old manager wrong and the new manager generally gets them running around a lot more. Ultimately it normally fizzles out as there isn’t actually any real ethos or plan being implemented, the players just run around more for a bit at the start.

    Then you’ve got the situation of a proper manager coming in at the end of a season/start of a new season, or at the end of an old managers contract. They usually have a completely different plan or playing style to the old manager, there is no new manager bounce as there is nothing for the players to ‘bounce’ for, especially in our case after being relegated, the opposite is actually true.

    In this second scenario it takes time, time for players to learn the system, time for players to gel together, generally you get lots of mistakes at the start as they get used to it and very patchy results. You tend to see glimmers of hope here and there, and then if you’re lucky after about ten games it all clicks into place and the results start to follow.

    We’re very much the latter and very much ahead of schedule at the moment.
     
  7. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    I think if the 3 CM’s we had yesterday can remain fit, Quina may well struggle for starts in this side personally.
     
  8. Teide1

    Teide1 Squad Player

    Yes especially when/if we get Hughes back!
     
  9. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    I think we need one more player of a good level. We've lost Doucoure and Capoue but have only gained Garner. Sure, if we get a tune out of Chalobah that would be a bonus but he and Cleverley are unlikely to stay fit for too long.

    We need someone else of the level of a Grimes or Busquets to come in before we have enough. When everyone is fit, you can have selection problems, but it's rare everyone is fit at the same time. Garner, Cleverley, Chalobah, Hughes and Quina, plus the added bonus of Dele-Bashiru, who looks like he'll be useful. We could do with a bit more experience in there though, so 7 players for a heavily used/rotated position is ideal.
     
  10. barely1egal

    barely1egal Reservist

    Personally think that if Garner can perform like he did yesterday on a fairly consistent basis, and we hang onto Hughes, that is enough. Especially with Ken able to cover there if needs be (assuming we bring in wing back cover for him).

    Think cover in the wing back positions, and in the creative positions behind the striker is currently more important.
     
  11. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    If you care to look back at #848, people did answer it and it got several likes too.

    I only bumped it because someone brought up something that was relevant to that post :rolleyes:
     
  12. There is a careful balancing act to be had, if we stockpile CMs and the likes of TDB and Quina can't see a route to the first 11 they are going to talk to their agents. The 6 we have (Cleverley, Quina, Hughes, Chalobah, TDB, Garner) are more than enough for this level, it's the best group of CMs in the league.

    If it were me I'd focus on cover for wing backs and centre halfs.
     
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  13. Sort of OK

    Sort of OK Reservist

    Vlad is hyappy, we will improve further when players are fit again and able to hyelp the group.
     
  14. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Very early days obviously but some interesting stats to keep an eye on as the season progresses. As it stands we are:

    2nd best for shots conceded at our goal
    2nd for tackles made
    3rd for fouls committed
    4th= lowest for bookings
    1st= clean sheets

    We're really not giving away many opportunities to the opposition. It's interesting that we're high for the fouls but low for the bookings - a feature of the last few seasons has been Doucouré/Hughes/Capoue having to take a booking to stop an attack but I don't remember this happening at all with the midfield in our first three games. Could all change but at the moment, we seem very well drilled and disciplined, with fouls happening in non-dangerous areas.
     
  15. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    That is interesting, I'd probably view that with some caution in the sense that we haven't yet played a team who would be considered that likely to be challengers for the top half, let alone one of our fellow droppers, say.
     
  16. WeveGotSteviePalmerNo1

    WeveGotSteviePalmerNo1 Academy Graduate

    I think the 3 teams we've played appear to be mid table form (ignoring SWFC points deduction issues). I'm fully aware this smacks of arrogant out of touch fan... but I am suprised at how overall poor the standard is this season (our creativity and finishing included to date, though the creativity since halfway throgh SWFC game has been improving quickly).
     
  17. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    Good so far, but I agree with Chumlax, it would be good to see what those stats are like at the end of October.

    We have a mixed bag of opponents for our next 6 matches:

    Reading (A) - early pace setters.
    Derby (A) - falling apart, possibly a new manager by then
    Blackburn (H) - current top scorers
    Muff (H) - fellow relegated team
    Wycombe (A) - whipping boys
    Barnsley (A) - Non-descript Yorkshire place

    Anything north of 12 points would be great.
     
  18. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    18 points bare minimum.
     
  19. I'll be disappointed at anything less than 16 points.
     
  20. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Why limit ourselves to that?
     
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  21. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    This. Need a midfield 'enforcer' or 'engine room' type player. We're fine for playmakers.
     
  22. barely1egal

    barely1egal Reservist

    If we are to be one of the stronger sides in the division, I am not necessarily sure we do.

    Think you are better off with two or three midfielders all happy to work off the ball.
     
  23. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    We haven't got enough depth without it.
     
  24. Teide1

    Teide1 Squad Player

    Sarr makes an absolutely Huge difference if he plays we have a great “out” ball sorted, keep him and we would be favourites to go back up, if he goes it’s a different story would need two very good players to replace him!
     
  25. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    Murray and Perica??!
     
  26. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    We'd have no pace really if Sarr went apart from Gray when fit and Pedro.
     
  27. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Never thought we'd see the rotting, reanimated carcass of this myth drag itself out of the grave once more.
     
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  28. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Well compared to Deeney or Murray !?
     
  29. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    But it isn't, is it; it is in general, and general is all that matters when it comes to pace, unless the opposition are regularly going to field Deeney and Murray against us in defence!
     
  30. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Gray does have enough pace to occasionally beat an offside trap or get on the end of a cross now and again.
     
  31. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    I think this system would suit Gray far more. He's not electric but he runs down the channels and gets in the box. Last few seasons we've been smashing balls at his head and our wide players have rarely been getting to the byeline and putting low crosses in. With Ngakia and Sema, most of their balls are quite low and could see Gray getting on the end of a few.

    We all know he's not going to knit the play together, nor win anything in the air but he'll be around the six yard box and he has got a habit of being in the right place at the right time. Whether he finishes it or not is another matter.

    The biggest threat to our style of play is if Deeney comes back in. It could work if he can get in shape and be the second striker, but not if he plays the furthest forward. Squad role at most for him I think.
     
  32. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    Its a lower level so defenders of most clubs wont necessarily be as quick and/or defensively streetwise as PL ones. So rather than being dismissive its a case of wait and see as he not played yet.
     
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  33. Moosegasm

    Moosegasm Reservist

    Fozzy on Ivic 'he's raised the bar so much now...the minimum is sticking your head on the line
    ...everybody buys into it'.
    I have two main reactions to this:
    1)Why was the bar so low last season? I guess we all know the answer to that already.
    2)If any player undermines this situation in any way they should be kneecapped on the centre circle before kick off. Ivic is the main man now and anyone who doesn't buy into his vision should be kicked out on their a$$ and have their head jumped on 'deeney style'.
    Death to player power - Let Vlad do his job, he knows what he's doing.
     
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  34. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    It's just the same old drivel each time a new head coach comes along. Refreshing to see Foster coming out with all the cliches rather than Deeney this time around though.
     
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  35. Moosegasm

    Moosegasm Reservist

    It does seem to be true though on this occasion.
     

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