Gracia Out

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by GoingDown, Apr 7, 2018.

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Should JG go?

  1. Yes, now?

    42 vote(s)
    46.2%
  2. No? He deserves a chance to get us out of the championship?

    1 vote(s)
    1.1%
  3. Not yet. If we lose to Newcastle?

    28 vote(s)
    30.8%
  4. If we are bottom at Christmas?

    7 vote(s)
    7.7%
  5. If we go 10 games without a win?

    13 vote(s)
    14.3%
  1. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    But we did have him, and QSF managed to get a tune out of him.

    As you rightly point out, we had a championship quality side but a manager who somehow kept them up with months to spare. A truly remarkable achievement.
     
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  2. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    Joka managed to make a tune out of him. I'll give credit to QSF for selecting their most in form forward and for sticking everyone behind the ball. Little else, as our chance creation was pretty poor that year.

    With Ighalo converting chances at that season's rate, other average Championship-quality managers would have kept us up.

    Luckily the Pozzos knew that keeping QSF would have led to certain relegation and binned him for the far more talented Mazzarri.
     
  3. Hornet4ever

    Hornet4ever WFC Forums Last Man Standing Winner 2018/2019

    It's true what you said in your last sentence, although every fibre & instinct personally prefers QSF, the fag smoking Mazzarri was/is the more talented out of the two.

    & it hurts to say that.
     
  4. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Joka was a championship quality manager and to compare him with QSF is laughable, considering he failed spectacularly with a far superior fulham squad than the hapless terds QSF had to play with.

    I quite agree with you about Mazzarri. Injuries and our pathetically weak minded players who couldn't cope with discipline did for him.
     
  5. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Reservist

    Not so much weak minded as entitled and lazy.

    Don't think his lack of English helped, but fundamentally the players got upset about working hard for their astronomical wages.
     
  6. Harrow Orn

    Harrow Orn Squad Player

    His tactics were the most negative I have ever seen from a Watford manager. He was also utterly clueless.

    I stopped being a season ticket holder for a number of reasons, but he was the final straw.
     
  7. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    I just can't agree. On the rare occasion he had a full squad to pick from we looked utterly sensational.

    He was forced to play that way as we were down to the bare bones of the squad. Those negative tactics were what was required to keep us up. It was horrific to watch, I don't deny it.
     
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  8. luke_golden

    luke_golden Space Cadet

    Mad Walt was the only man big enough to see that Deeney wasn’t up to it and tried to phase him out. Unfortunately he wasn’t big enough to drive Deeney out of the club, which probably did for him in the dressing room.

    I reckon if we’d sold Troy that summer, things might have been different. Maz was a bit mental though. Double keepers on the bench to finish up was class from the guy.
     
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  9. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    It was the most brilliant "**** you" a football manager can give to the fans. And our odious fans deserved it that season.
     
  10. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Rumour has it he only decided to do that when he saw that goblin woman with her home made sign telling him to f off. You know, this one:

    https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/...lter-mazzarri-manager-of-news-photo/686262588

    Apparently he paid the $499 dollars to Getty Images for the large print of this and has it framed in his impossibly stylish Italian bog to remind him of the ingrates at Watford.
     
  11. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Christ I'd forgotten all about that harpy.

    Not to mention the smirking slaphead on the right. Such a qunt even his hairline has upped and left.
     
  12. CleyHorn

    CleyHorn Reservist

    She lives in Maple X.
     
  13. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Good to know she got her just desserts.
     
  14. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    I started after seeing the lineup feeling sorry for Quina and Penaranda.

    I ended it as angry as I've ever been seeing Sarr and Welbeck sitting on a bench as our gurning idiot of a coach looked on confused.

    Out. Tonight.
     
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  15. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Reservist

    It's getting to a point where, arguably, not sacking Javi is riskier than keeping him. Barring a miracle it'll be 0 wins from 7 games and very likely only 1 point. It's hardly a given that we'd beat Sheffield United either.

    Get rid now and give the new manager the international break to sort it.

    I say this with regret, as I like Javi and appreciate what he has done for us. Be interesting to see how many people try defending his position at this stage.
     
  16. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    This, but unironically
     
  17. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Wow! Eerily accurate.
     
  18. RMT79

    RMT79 Academy Graduate

    I agree Folkestone. We need a new man in ASAP - we are a shambles and look like a team that has never played together - we played not to loose today and were dominated by a poor Newcastle team.

    The substitutions were strange - if Welbeck and Sarr can’t give us at least 30 mins at full throttle then why put them on the bench.

    We were crying out for pace (Sarr) and some guile (Delofeu) and could of done with Quina in for Cleverly too.

    Yes he changed formation but having 3 CBs that look lost was worse than watching 2 ..... The organisation from back to front is poor, no pressing, no desire to win 2nd balls .... I think Javi has lost key players support in the dressing room.

    This fall from Grace happens to the best managers, mourinho, conte, Wenger - so no disgrace.

    Thanks for last season Javi, but it’s time to go our separate ways now.
     
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  19. Horace_goes_up_north

    Horace_goes_up_north First Year Pro

    Everything about that game management was bizarre from Gracia.

    A manager who knows he's a dead man walking already?

    A manager who's kicking his toys out of the pram because he didn't get players he wanted?

    There is absolutely not an ounce of justification for having Sarr and Welbeck on the bench and not using them, and for leaving deulofeu off for so long, plus bringing of all people Success on.

    Bizarre.

    Something seems most definitely up.
     
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  20. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Reservist

    Hi Javi,
    All you need to do now is call Gino a **** and you'll get your payout. Thanks for the memories. Kind Regards.
    Folkestone 'orn.
     
  21. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    Where's all his apologists today? Zztop off 'fighting' the hordes in Westminster?
     
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  22. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    For the love of ****ing god just get him out.
     
  23. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

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  24. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Good point. Where are the usual clowns wittering on about entitlement while revelling smugly in their own wise superiority?
     
  25. NemoNemo

    NemoNemo First Year Pro

    Tuesday night was a breath of fresh air, we played decent football and had an identity with real width. I was excited to see a similar formation played today but what I saw I’m still lost for words. I can’t believe how Javi can get it so right 1 game and so wrong the next. We had no plan going forward what so ever and the goal was very fortuitous. The more I think about last season, the more I believe that any success we had was down to individual players abilities and Javi had no effect on the matter. Now players aren’t performing, Javi is up **** creek, he is the most clueless manager. I think any fan could have picked a lineup, formation and substitutes to win that game. It was completely there for the taking. Javi , get out of our club now before it’s too late to turn around and take that piece of **** Femenia with you
     
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  26. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Pozzos might be asking why their 2 high profile purchases aren't getting games atm..
     
  27. carboy98

    carboy98 First Year Pro

    I think this speaks volumes. It's very hard to defend Javi's decisions today. I'm fairly sure this is the end for him.
     
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  28. Leighton Buzzer

    Leighton Buzzer Reservist

    We get an away draw against a side that won away at Tottenham. excellent result it was and our fickle fans still want Javi out. The most successful we have had since the late and great GT. We don't deserve him I tell ya. Poor Javi, it's just heartbreaking reading these vicious comments.
     
  29. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Reservist

    I see satire is not dead.
     
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  30. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Reservist

    Gracia should be asking back why he didn't get any decent defenders who ain't past it.
     
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  31. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Reservist

    Strange argument.
     
  32. Sting

    Sting Squad Player

    I understand your point of view. I like Javi and am grateful for last season. But we live in the present. What is more important - being nice to a man whose recent record is little short of dreadful and getting relegated - or biting the bullet and sacking him now. Do we want to spend next year in the Championship and have to start all over again? We are now 10 points behind last season. That gives us only 40 points unless for the next 34 games we out perform last year. 40 points could well be relegation this year.
    I don't want to see Javi go but think he has to.
     
  33. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    Leventhal toeing the corporate line but describing this as a good result to stop the rot as well as laughably defending the subs. Proper little company man now.
     
  34. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Reservist

    Some dodginess with the Lazio deals. It seems that Lazio signed them from Braga a couple of weeks before selling them to Wolves. The media silence is deafening.
     
  35. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Reservist

    #Leventhalout
     
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