Gracia Out

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by GoingDown, Apr 7, 2018.


Should JG go?

  1. Yes, now?

    42 vote(s)
  2. No? He deserves a chance to get us out of the championship?

    1 vote(s)
  3. Not yet. If we lose to Newcastle?

    28 vote(s)
  4. If we are bottom at Christmas?

    7 vote(s)
  5. If we go 10 games without a win?

    13 vote(s)
  1. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Reservist

    Changing the manager wont lead to a change in personel on the pitch. Gracia is a good manager and has done a small miriacle esp. Season just gone.

    The only way we are going to move forward is to fix the holes the squad. A good striker a decent LB and maybe one more midfield if Decoure' leave.

    We budget well, and i understand we cant sign Messi. But at least half decent players or hell how about PLAYING our other striker? Would be a start.
  2. Leighton Buzzer

    Leighton Buzzer Reservist

    I think Javi has done very well with the squad that he has.
    If he had Man City's squad, he probably would have picked up a few more points.
  3. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Reservist

    Although as Fulham learned, splashing out doesnt always work. Had they kept most of their champo squad they may of faired better.
  4. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes First Year Pro

    It will be interesting to see what a manger with a chance to build a team over a few seasons can do.i think Javi has done a good job, but the challenge this year has to be taking more points from the top 6

    I fully expect another cup final and a top 10 finish next year
  5. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Javi has performed above expectation. The worry is owners (and to a lesser extent fans) expect the same over performance next season. It’s not unreasonable to suggest that 18th next season would be expected position if we sell Doucoure and only strengthen with bargain bucket Sema/Masina/Navarro/Quina types.
  6. kVA

    kVA Reservist

    I can see the 19/20 season being a relegation battle.
  7. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

  8. wfcwarehouse

    wfcwarehouse Strangeland

    We got to the cup final. Little old Watford got to the cup final. 2nd out of 7000 teams/least we got there etc etc
  9. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Reservist

    No pressure Javi
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  10. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Reservist

    Agree. Burnley, Brighton, Naarch, Sheffield, Villa/Derby will have a battle on their hands!

    If we keep our team together no way will we be involved.
  11. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    But we won’t...
  12. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Reservist

    Fair point. It's quite incredible that we haven't been in the relegation zone since promotion though. I can understand some thinking it's only a matter of time until this changes. I'm just trying to look objectively at the situation. This is the best squad we've had, arguably ever. We've got a good manager, who is committed to the club. Owners who know what they are doing and will look to strengthen in the necessary areas. The last point is obvious as Britos is on his way out, Prodl permanently crocked and JG clearly see's Wilmot as a midfielder.
  13. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    I’d be very surprised indeed if we don’t lose Doucoure this summer.
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  14. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Who will buy him?
  15. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    Any number of clubs in England or Europe. Why do you think not?
  16. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Wants to play Champions League and I guess he means a team that will progress to the latter stages. So which one of those teams will buy him?
    He’s excellent for us but he is not at that level in my opinion
  17. He always gives the ball away..two, three, four...
  18. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    Not good enough for Spurs? Or Porto? Or Ajax (wouldn’t have the money)? Or Dortmund?
  19. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Reservist

  20. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    Indeed. There's bags to be carried and a bench to keep warm at a big club.

    Neymar at PSG?
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  21. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    Spurs don't need him. None of the other three would pay the required £35-45mil for him.

    Dortmund's current transfer record is £27mil.
    Porto's transfer record is £18mil.
    Ajax's record is £15mil.

    I reckon Doucoure will stay, especially now PSG have signed a similar player in Herrera.
  22. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    He’d upgrade Arsenal in my view.
  23. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    Yeah perhaps. Though it's yet to be decided whether they'll even be in the CL next season.
  24. Aberystwyth_Hornet

    Aberystwyth_Hornet Squad Player

    Any team from 7th downwards can get involved in a relegation scrap if they aren't careful. Having the right mentality is perhaps more crucial than the players.

    We should be ok in terms of quality of squad (even if we do sell a big name or two) however the problem will be if we get complacent and lose the effort/desire
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  25. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    My post was written more in response to the view that he’s not “at the level” of a later stage CL team rather than as a prediction of who might buy him. I think he may well be at that level, but I agree with you and Knight GT that the key lies in the asking price, which probably rules several such clubs out.

    But we’re also assuming that he genuinely would only consider a CL team. What if Everton came calling?
  26. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Who would he replace at these clubs?
  27. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    See above. I was responding to your view that he’s not at that level. I think he is good enough to play for those teams. Doesn’t mean they need him, I agree.
  28. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    He's at least the level of Delaney at Dortmund and Sch*ne at Ajax, to be fair. They both do slightly different jobs though as more pure defensive midfielders. In his preferred box to box role he'd find it more difficult.
  29. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    Fair enough, see my response to Knight GT above - I also don't think he'd look out of place at that level; the issue is indeed more about the required fee (and how many of the clubs really need him).

    As for Everton, I still think we'd be reluctant to sell to them and he wouldn't be that bothered about joining them.
  30. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    I hope you are both right. I’m just not as optimistic.
  31. foxywfc

    foxywfc Reservist

    Doucoure could do a job at manure and Liverpool imo playing with better players around him would only improve him to. I hope he stays we missed him when he was out this season.

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  32. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    I don’t believe his use of the ball is good enough. Doesn’t see a pass quickly
  33. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! First Year Pro

    It's one thing to sell them a lad who hadn't performed in months in a position where we ultimately were OK (for £50m as well), another thing entirely to sell them someone who's pretty much been our best player for the past two years, for any cost. Highly doubt that he would kick up that much of a fuss just to go to Everton, even if it does pique his interest, I don't think he'd sulk his way to a move there
  34. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    5 defeats in a row, 18 goals conceded.

    Not even a question anymore really.
  35. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Anyone still supporting this dimwit needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

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