Gracia Out

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by GoingDown, Apr 7, 2018.


Should JG go?

  1. Yes, now?

    42 vote(s)
  2. No? He deserves a chance to get us out of the championship?

    1 vote(s)
  3. Not yet. If we lose to Newcastle?

    28 vote(s)
  4. If we are bottom at Christmas?

    7 vote(s)
  5. If we go 10 games without a win?

    13 vote(s)
  1. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Huge credit to JG for surviving 12 months under Pozzo.

    Mandela like tenacity.
  2. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Furphy provided glimpses of WFC’s potential.

    Sadly, the tide soon washed away his footsteps in the sand.
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  3. PhilippineOrn

    PhilippineOrn First Team

    Yeah, as Vic said. Gracia's legacy isn't on the same planet as GT's. It could happen but not in this decade.
  4. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

    Up to GT, you'd be correct. He has the potential to I think as his attitude and personaility do reflect the best of this club, but that would take years of consistent success.
  5. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    A cup win would put Gracia firmly in second place behind GT. Continuous success thereafter would be the only way JG could be compared.
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  6. easthertshornet

    easthertshornet Reservist

    Nobody other than GT has got us into a major final. Nobody other than GT has got us such a high number of points in the top flight. Surely that puts Javi a clear second
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  7. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    QSF keeping us up with no fear of relegation at any point that first season, with a squad largely full of utter dung is more impressive than Gracias modest achievements imo.
  8. luke_golden

    luke_golden Space Cadet

    It’s not ridiculous to think that Javi won’t even be here beyond next season. I think he’ll be here to start our next campaign, but let’s face it, even if he doesn’t win the cup, yet produces a similar season in terms of fighting for Europe again, you’d imagine he’d be on the radar of bigger clubs, be it here or abroad. Hard to know whether he’d be willing to pass up the opportunity to move up the ladder.

    Equally, if we find ourselves around the bottom half or looking nervously over our shoulders at the relegation battle, discontent about a lack of progress will emerge and the calls to sack him will begin to grow amongst our fickle fan base when form takes a dive.

    To come even close to GT, Javi is going to have to produce miracles. To build a legacy beyond more than 2-3 seasons is almost unrealistic in the modern game.
  9. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Liked for poetic imagery
  10. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Reservist

    Somewhat provocative (as ever) but there is a grain of truth in this.
  11. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Reservist

    But we had Jurado....
  12. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    The neatest and tidiest player in the history of our club.
  13. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Reservist

    He's a poor man's Stuart Slater
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  14. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Ha it's harsh on slater to even compare the two. Though did slater score a single goal apart from that belter against someone or other?

    He tore those chumps up the road apart in that 4-0. Good times
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  15. Oscar calling

    Oscar calling Squad Player

    Wash your mouth out. There can only be one God.
  16. AndrewH63

    AndrewH63 Reservist

    I think God himself said to eclipse what was done in his first era at Watford, someone would have to be deliver a Watford team that were champions of England and win the FA Cup. But I reckon winning the FA Cup would rate the Pozzo era as the greatest in the clubs history. We have a good chance of getting seventh too, which would equal his achievement of getting into the second tier of European competition.
  17. Squibba

    Squibba Predictor Choker 14/15

    I've got a feeling / half a hope that loyalty might actually mean something to JG. I think I read it somewhere in an article, that at one of his previous clubs, he wanted to stick with the same players who got him promoted but the owners didn't so he left. Something along those lines.

    Obviously if big money came calling he'd go but if we're in Europa League, then it'd have to be a Champions League club who won't get knocked out at the Group Stage.

    Due to the money and power of the Prem, only clubs with history could tempt Javi as he's not going to Madrid, Barca and alike.

    Spain: Athletico Madrid, Sevilla or Valencia?
    Italy: Roma, Lazio, Napoli, AC or Inter?
    Germany: Leverkusen?

    It seems crazy to say it but we might even be top 30-40 most attractive clubs in the world right now. I certainly can't name many.
  18. Hornet4ever

    Hornet4ever WFC Forums Last Man Standing Winner 2018/2019

    In time I would not be surprised if he's parachuted in to Udinese to sort them out. After his purple patch with us comes to an end, which let's face it will happen at some point.

    I would think JG now fits into the category of being one of the Pozzo family 'in house' managers.

    One of the inevitable factors of this successful period is that in the next 12/24 months we should in theory be able to attract a step up in class in terms of managerial appointment. Not that they go down that route but it would be very interesting to see a big name manager in the dug out at some point.
  19. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Not sure I’m persuaded by this.

    If a manager is good enough for Watford, he won’t be going to Udinese. If he’s not good enough for Watford, he’ll be out.

    I don’t see Gino appointing a big name. Gracia is an excellent fit for us & I can see him being here a long time.
  20. 533

    533 Academy Graduate

    I think the lack of speculation around javi right now is a direct result of the club’s stance on silva, and it shows the long term importance of making that statement. Attack is the best defence and all.
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  21. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Except against Citeh.
  22. Siohmy

    Siohmy Reservist

    Worked for Swansea for quite a while until Man City called upon their “officials assistance” card, twice. The double of diving and offside (again).

    Are they ever caught offside?
  23. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    The offside rule doesn't apply to City. They've probably scored at least 10 offside goals this season.
  24. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Not often.

    That is part of the problem vs Citeh. They break like lightning & are allowed to stand wherever suits them.

    At Citeh, JG started with 3 in midfield (inc Clevs) & Gray up top but Deeney assisted Del within a minute of coming on. Interesting selection.

    I guess so long as Foster doesn't play then SEJ will be happy.
  25. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    Presume this has nothing to do with his suave good looks?
  26. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

    It does, they just have a special dispensation which means it only applies when 7 or more players are offside.
  27. lm_wfc

    lm_wfc Squad Player

    As a percentage of total goals that's probably no more than everyone else scoring 2
  28. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Not to worry though. If they try to score an offside goal against us in the cup final next month they'll anger god and his booming voice will soon alert us to his intervention.
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  29. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Javi has done wonders, but let's not pretend that he hasn't had a better platform on which to build than the vast majority of his predecessors at the helm of Watford.

    GT took over a 4th division side and had them finish second in the league and then runner up in the FA cup. He did this with some investment from a pop star, but with comparatively **** all compared to the bigger sides we were brushing aside.

    Javi has one of the lowest wage budgets in the division, I believe, which means he's very much got us punching above our weight, but that's not that exceptional. Sean Dyche managed a top 7 finish with a crappy side and other unfancied sides have been the cup final.

    Win or lose, finish 7th or 9th and Javi will still be remembered for being a great Watford coach, but in order to be even seated on that bench outside the Hornet shop, he needs to be here for 4 or 5 years and achieve more consistency.

    GT transformed the club, Javi has had a very good season. The achievements are miles apart.
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  30. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Reservist

    Someone posted a graph recently which showed us as 14th highest payers.
  31. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

  32. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

  33. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Flattered to deceive for a while but now back to business as usual.

    I suspect he'll quietly leave the club after our record cup final defeat.
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  34. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Pretty sure I spotted Beppe on Occupation Rd.

    Back for a GT style second lap?
  35. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

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