Gracia Out

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by GoingDown, Apr 7, 2018.

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Should JG go?

  1. Yes, now?

    42 vote(s)
    46.2%
  2. No? He deserves a chance to get us out of the championship?

    1 vote(s)
    1.1%
  3. Not yet. If we lose to Newcastle?

    28 vote(s)
    30.8%
  4. If we are bottom at Christmas?

    7 vote(s)
    7.7%
  5. If we go 10 games without a win?

    13 vote(s)
    14.3%
  1. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    I wouldn't say that was so much from capitulation - we were typically knackered by the end of matches and have defenders incapable of staying switched-on for a full 90 minutes.

    Really?! I don't see that at all. Troy was probably our most bullied player as he can't compete with most Prem centre-backs any more and he has little else to his game, but physically we were more than a match for most clubs. Excluding the two Manchester clubs, off the top of my head bizarrely it was only Brighton where I can recall any significant failings in our performances or results being principally due to being out-muscled across the pitch. Even against Burnley we more than matched them man-to-man (but lost due to horrendous marking).
     
  2. Aymondo

    Aymondo First Year Pro

    Whilst I'm erring on the 'Gracia is too defensively minded he needs to go', I'm actually rather excited to see what he can do with the talent we have coming in next season.
    The idea of having Penaranda, Richarlison, Deulofeu (hopefully), Success - if he can reach his potential, all within the squad. Add Hughes and Chalobah in their and you have a young exciting core of the squad to look forward to under Gracia. I look at the way we played against Chelsea at home under Gracia and look forward to more of that with a younger ensemble.

    I do however envisage, should we keep all those players at Vicarage Road, Gracia might see players shifted into lesser known positions to fit a more defensive ideology and keeps players happy in terms of game time, which could be to his detriment.
     
  3. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    If we properly upgrade our defence, then with a fully fit squad he or any other manager would have no excuses if they struggled. Possibly Alan Pardew being the exception. If we don’t bother with the defence however good the rest of squad is he'll essentially have one hand tied behind his back.
     
  4. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    If he gets an upgrade on Holebas and Deeney/ Gray and we bring in Del, he will have no excuses next season if he doesn’t significantly improve.

    If he gets upgraded CBs too then I expect big things.
     
  5. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Aymo, sounds like a win:win for you.
     
  6. Malteser

    Malteser Squad Player

    Uff the more I think about starting next season with him in charge, the more miserable I feel.
     
  7. R4E

    R4E Reservist

    Don't be so down. We actually played some nice football towards the end of last season - especially at home. Only individual errors at the back and poor decision making in front of goal stopped us picking up more points.

    If we get a proper goalscorer, fix the defence and keep everyone fit I don't see why Gracia can't have a decent season with us.
     
  8. wingco

    wingco Reservist

    I really don't understand those that label Gracia as negative. I don't remember a single game where I thought he put out a defensive lineup, and for the most part we dominated possession against all but the top sides.

    He was let down by poor finishing, not a negative game plan
     
  9. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    If.

    That’s the same thing we said last close-season and we didn’t do any of those things. Those factors would help any manager. I want a manager who can do well regardless of those excuses.

    Everyone knows my opinion so I won’t even comment on it again over the summer unless we are linked with a new manager or what not. But my last point on him over the summer is this - and I’m happy for anyone to reference me on it come October next season: He’ll be gone before 10 games are over.
     
    Last edited: Jun 7, 2018
  10. Hornet4ever

    Hornet4ever WFC Forums Last Man Standing Winner 2018/2019

    You might be right, you might be wrong about the 10 games, but no other Pozzo type manager will achieve significantly more or better with the players at his disposal last season. Look at Udine for long term proof of concept. Numerous reasons why it's more sensible to stick with JG in the meantime until his position becomes untenable. Which will happen sooner or later. Just not now.

    We have a mid to lower league squad & that's exactly where we are.

    Breath of fresh air for us to keep the manager & try to build progressively from last season.

    It is a significant risk when you have an unknown manager plying their trade in the PL for the first time, we have been lucky thus far. A dud is only around the corner. Look at Palace last season.
     
  11. I don’t think Gracia is overly negative, he’s been shaped by Spanish football which is tactical and technical. He does need to learn from last season, develop a style that suits us and imprint it on the team over the summer. Do that well and he’ll be fine.

    A counter attacking team that defends well, presses hard, and motors fast through the transitions using Delafoos and Richys pace would be my choice.
     
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  12. Malteser

    Malteser Squad Player

    The last season we started with the same Head Coach as the previous campaign was Beppe. It didn’t look a good decision to do so, and so it proved as he left five matches later. He was a stabiliser and did what he was asked to do after Zola’s deoarture. Strong home form, poor away. In the end it took his departure and the eventual arrival of a new Head Coach to achieve our dream and get us promoted.

    Will history be any different this time? We shall see.
     
  13. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    History will certainly be different because we’ve no chance of being promoted. :D
     
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  14. Malteser

    Malteser Squad Player

    Damn lol. I was looking forward to this season too!
     
  15. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    But it could be the same, with us and Bournemouth battling it out for first place next May.
     
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  16. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

     
  17. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    We could be promoted into the top 6 super league.
     
  18. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Stop that. It’s a Top 7 now and we all know it.
     
  19. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    On the Sssilva saga, I'm still stuck in the denial phase.

    Trying to move on.
     
  20. Sting

    Sting Squad Player

    I think you know that most of us have sat on the fence over Gracia. There are few who would argue he is a great manager. The truth is it is too early to tell - he had a job to do and he achieved it. Have the Pozzos found one manager you would be able to argue was demonstrably better than Gracia though? You cannot cite Jokanovic as he is yet to be tested in the Premiership. In the end Gracia's points per game record was equal to the Snake's.
    Until we move to appointing a coach with a materially better background than that so far found by the Pozzos we are going to see the same again.
    I would not bet against Gracia leaving before Christmas - but equally if we appoint another Quiche-Mazz-Snake-Gracia I would not bet on them either.
    Surely a stable close season and a chance for players and manager to get to know each other and plan properly has to be worth something?
     
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  21. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    I'm on a self-imposed ban from commenting further! He's staying so we'll see how it turns out...
     
  22. luke_golden

    luke_golden Space Cadet

    Going to be absolute carnage on here when we lose the first pre-season game.
     
  23. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Again I will say he got the job done. There were flashes of what we were capable of and some dire moments too. I'm happy to proceed with him. The two matches against Man Utd and Spurs away gave me encouragement. If we had a decent striker we would of seen different results and that's progress. We have to remember he is still learning about this league and only by experiencing it will he learn. The GD deal and by the way players speak about him shows me he has a good respect within the game.
     
  24. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Was “Quiche” intentional or was it a predictive text thing?

    Either way, I like it.
     
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  25. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    I've had just about enough of all these pastry related puns so it's time for me to retire.

    It's been a good run and my love for Fulham will never be doubt.

    Bonjour.
     
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  26. Sting

    Sting Squad Player

    :) - always thought of him as a quiche
     
  27. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    I would imagine Gracia is sacked during next season. It's just the Watford way.
     
  28. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Well he's been well and truly stitched up by the club. Starting the season with Capoue as our only fit centre midfielder is criminal.

    Even "yes man" Gracia has made it clear he wanted reinforcements and that the club still haven't sorted out Peñaranda's work status.
     
  29. hornetgags

    hornetgags McMuff's lovechild

    He's been granted a Spanish passport.
     
  30. His Quiche-ness was always quite eclair.
     
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  31. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

  32. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Doesn't look like it.
     
  33. hornetgags

    hornetgags McMuff's lovechild

    Ah, I was just going on Adam Leventhal's tweet from the other day.
     
  34. LaClusazSki

    LaClusazSki Reservist

    He will be sacked by the 10th game.
     
  35. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Our only hope now is that this gurning gibbon gets deported in March after brexit.
     

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