Gomes - New 1 Year Deal

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Burnsy, Jun 28, 2019.

  1. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    He’s a footballing geriatric. Slow and indecisive these days. Is going to get worse and likely his effectiveness will fall off a cliff soon. Bachman has played well out on loan and should be the number 2.

    Seems a good bloke so if they want him to be a non playing employee the do it now.
     
  2. Ágætis Byrjun

    Ágætis Byrjun First Year Pro

    Everyone seems to be ignoring this.

    Yeah, let's just ignore it and say it was a terrible idea to keep this man here. Gino hasn't got a clue what he's doing. Token contract. Character and team spirit is irrelevant to football anyway, ability is everything.
     
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  3. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Perhaps we should give him a 5 year contract?

    In seriousness when we fail time and again to ungrade our poor centrebacks people suggest we can’t afford it. Perhaps not extending ancient keeper contracts and not giving 30 year old Prodl a 4 year extension might help in this regard.
     
  4. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    Your adjectives are a bit much no?

    Fair enough, disagree with the move. But it’s hardly ‘horrendous’ and even less so if the idea is for him to be 3rd choice then it’s a smart move given his sway in the squad and character. And ‘colossal’?! I doubt he’s on a huge wage. We have bigger contributors to wasted money within the squad than Gomes. Given Foster’s performances over a large part of last season, I’d say it’s obvious he will be No.1. Would be a bigger waste of funds (of which I doubt we have loads) to sign another GK when we already have Bachmann and Dahlberg as well - these guys have to be integrated towards first team football at some point.

    It’s understandable that people have doubts over his ability and age - but let’s see what the clubs idea is with the move before it’s massively criticised. Not saying he will be ever-present (far from it) - but most of us wrote Holebas off as too old and not good enough and last season happened. I’m sure there is method behind this that goes beyond him being No.2 and playing in the cups again.
     
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  5. Ágætis Byrjun

    Ágætis Byrjun First Year Pro

    Don't be silly. We're never upgrading our centre backs. Mariappa "3 more years" next.
     
  6. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Would not surprise me!
     
  7. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    He can call him Sebastian Poodl
     
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  8. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Having an overseas number 3 keeper seems strategically poor. Especially one how is on a steep decline.

    For all the need to upgrade, so far our business is 4 year contract for a 30 year old and a 1 year extension for a veteran keeper. Does not bode well for Pozzo view on things. Where will Cathcart performance levels be in 2 years time. Prodl is already an obsolete waste of money. It seems to me Pozzo can’t let a player go. I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried to convince Britons to stay.
     
  9. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    Maybe he should get a job at the EU?
     
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  10. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    I agree its not ideal that he takes an overseas spot. But for that not to happen, we would have to buy an English GK as 2nd/3rd choice unless we kept both Dahlberg and Bachmann here next season - which I think we all think is unlikely to happen. Not sure which English GK we could get in knowing they'd not be 1st choice. Heaton perhaps but he's hardly young and he will be leaving Burnley as he's not 1st choice, so I doubt he'd rush to join our situation which would be similar. Same with Hart and Pope. So realistically we would be looking down the leagues....

    And in that case, and I know the concerns over Gomes ability - but would the payoff of losing him and what he brings to the squad be worth it to bring in a homegrown GK who is unlikely to play?

    As for you other points, I massively agree. Cathcart could have been rewarded with a new deal but on a shorter term. Prodl was a silly extension of that length but I'm not sure anyone quite saw the fall from grace being as big as its been for him. Rightly or wrongly, it's easy to see why the club are keen to keep Gomes because of what he adds as a character and a leader in the squad. The above players won't bring that when they are 34/35yo.

    I hope it changes this summer, and its a discussion for another thread, but the club definitely have a problem with recruitment when it comes to defenders and it skews their decisions when keeping the ones we have.
     
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  11. Teide1

    Teide1 Squad Player

    Gino doesn't explain his actions to us, the same way he hasn't explained his thinking towards getting promoted to the premier league, just about to enter our 5th consecutive season or reaching last seasons cup final! I would rather we don't hear from Gino!
    and let him get on with it!
     
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  12. Maninblack

    Maninblack Reservist

    Mercenary bunch, most of you. I welcome the news on the basis that the club knows what is best, not us. I like Gomes and whilst he may be getting older he is still good enough and his presence around the club cannot be underestimated.
     
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  13. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    It's one thing trusting the club. But when they spend money on Oulare, Zeegelaar and many others, when it comes to contracts and transfers its clear they don't always know best.

    I'm a defender of the new Gomes deal. But when you say he is still good enough, what do you mean?
     
  14. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Will Gomes even be in our squad? If so, 3rd or 2nd choice? He could be playing a holding role until one of our younger keepers is ready to replace Foster, or his main role could be to integrate our young Latin Americans - that could be vital. And we don't know how much he'll be paid.

    Let's wait and see
     
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  15. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    He isn’t good enough. He is obsolete.
     
  16. PotGuy

    PotGuy Forum Fetishist

    How is Gomes signing on as (I presume) 3rd choice keeper in any way a bad move?

    Sure, we could sign someone pointless to fill the role like Stuart Taylor, or we could use one of our more recent fan, club and player favourites in Gomes.

    Weird responses here I would say
     
  17. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Every club, and I do mean every club has success and failure in the transfer market. Along with Oulare there is a Doucoure. It’s the market we’re in. We buy players hoping they will end up being top 4 material. In regards to contracts, it’s s very similar story. We give out contracts to put us in a decent negotiation position if they wish to move on. Players like Prodl for some reason have regressed at an astonishing rate.
    Gino is not beyond criticism but to take us from mid table championship to mid table Premier League suggests he knows what he’s doing
     
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  18. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Who would have possibly thought that 30 year old plus players might regress at astonishing rates. Maybe that is why you give them 2 year contracts and review, rather than 4 year deals? Just a thought.
     
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  19. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    Of all the players who have been with us in the Pozzo era, who have progressed beyond 30yo, which of them has had transfer interest that has been impacted by the length remaining on his contract? I’m confident enough to say none really. All players we have had at that kind of age could easily have been left until they had a year left.

    I agree that on the whole, Gino has shown he knows what he’s doing. But I just can’t understand these longer than necessary deals.

    If we have top quality players approaching 30 or they are even beyond that age, then I get it. But these have been average players we have given them to. Cathcart did well last season - so reward him with an extra year. If he doesn’t want to sign that, review it in 12 months time and see what his form is like alongside a new CB partner. To just give him so many extra years isn’t needed.
     
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  20. With A Smile

    With A Smile First Team

    He'll be 3rd or 4th choice with a game or two in the carabo cup.

    Since when have we signed someone on sentiment rather than contribution ?
     
  21. Ray Knight

    Ray Knight First Year Pro

    Have to agree. Keeping 2nd/ 3rd choice keepers happy is a difficult one plus Gomes is a good influence around the squad. Don't think his standard has dropped. Of the 6 Man City goals I would say only one of them could be claimed could have done better. It was a collective defensive failure in the face of a wonderful De Bruyne cameo. It put the gloss on their win. Blaming Gomes (or Pereyra) is unfair. It remains a team game.
     
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  22. Ray Knight

    Ray Knight First Year Pro

    This time last year Fulham splurged 100 million pounds plus on some (on paper) tasty players. It did not work. We secured and got the best out of a mercurial ex-Barca talent, bought for peanuts. We can all witter on about the failures like Oulare, but overall season in season out Gino trumps the nay-sayers on this forum. That's good enough for me.
     
  23. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    That’s the same old argument though.

    If every club that got relegated spent what Fulham did, it would hold water. But they don’t. Huddersfield stayed up for a year and didn’t spend £100m. Brighton have never spent £100m and have stayed up twice. Bournemouth haven’t spent that. Nor Newcastle. Nor Burnley. Nor Wolves.

    The club takes as well as it gives. We are all mostly happy with where we end up every season, no one denies that. But we all also pay our hard earned money in to the product as well - and that earns us a say. And it’s my opinion that with the untold millions that come into the club due to us being in the PL, that the club should invest more heavily in better defenders.

    And Deulofeu wasn’t bought for peanuts. He cost about £13m. By our current standards, that’s not peanuts.
     
  24. Ray Knight

    Ray Knight First Year Pro

    Check the latest figures for net spend. Wolves have spent more than any team that has been newly promoted. Serious Portugese investment. Brighton have one of the highest net spends over the last two seasons. Burnley actually have spent more money recently and Huddersfield did in their first season. Newcastle are a bit of an exception but they had Rafa to keep them up. You say 13 million was alot for us and that is right but comparatively its peanuts for this current window.
     
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  25. Ray Knight

    Ray Knight First Year Pro

    Would agree with you Burnsy that we need to invest more in better defenders. Dawson is a start but only that. Trouble is the fees are now getting silly for them as well. Not a recommendation by any means but the going rate for a decent younger Championship defender is going to be 12 - 15 million. Unless we progress players like Wilmot we have little option but to get a cheaper import and hope they adapt.
     
  26. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Webster is 25-30 million if Bristol City are to be believed!
     
  27. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    As long as he is third choice and not second choice then I have no issues with this.

    Wouldn't be confident seeing him play again though.
     
  28. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

    Agree. Even in the Carabao cup where we should be blooding one of the younger keepers.
     
  29. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Brighton and Wolves spent nearly £70m last summer each. £13m is peanuts compared to what clubs are spending. Yesterday I heard a rumour that somebody was going to spend £50m on Mcginn from Villa! We all want better players, especially defenders but we don't have mega wealthy owners who will risk everything because the market says that's the price for a player. Fulham spent £100m, Brighton nearly £70m. One went down and the other was mighty close. That woiuld be a massive risk if we went down that route and I just don't believe we would take that risk.
     
  30. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    You are cherry picking a bit here though. Our expenditure was chunky in the first 3 seasons. Between 50m and 80m each season with some recouped of course. I agree fees have gone bezerk in the last 18 months though and it’s hard to get value.
     
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  31. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    But in your own, rather sunny summary, you've already highlighted how directly, these two are responsible for a goal a piece each.

    Doucoure too.

    OK, we'd still have lost, but 4-1 is a lot better than 6-0 and then, if you take my view, that Gomes could have done better for 2 or 3 of the goals, it's even worse. Yes we lose that game 99/100 whatever, but losing 3-1 or something and it's a day where those players are remembered as Watford legends. As it is, I'm sickened that most of them are still gonna be here come August.
     
  32. Meister

    Meister Administrator Staff Member

    Gomes is more than a reserve GK. It's all about the team and team spirit. As a character to be in an around the team he's worth his weight in gold.
     
  33. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    About £2.5m then?
     
  34. Meister

    Meister Administrator Staff Member

    Doesn't look that heavy. Maybe he's very dense?
     
  35. PhilippineOrn

    PhilippineOrn First Team

    Agree with this...I doubt his extension was based entirely on a view to him keeping goal. He was paramount in helping Richarlison settle in - and by virtue partially responsible for the large profit made on him. With the signing of Pedro, and indeed the seemingly growing relationship between us and Fluminese and possible future starlets coming our way, Gomes may be worth much more to us than just in goalkeeping terms.
     

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