Flores F off now!!

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Kernunnos, Nov 23, 2019.

  1. Kernunnos

    Kernunnos First Year Pro

    This is disgusting. We're better than this.
     
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  2. J dog

    J dog First Year Pro

    We are down. Norwich and southampton winning. Was the wrong appointment. I think anyone can tighten a defense up when they play 5221 with 2 cdms and cms wide. We are now in the same position as when qsf was sacked. Absolutely no cutting edge and nothing going forward but dominate possession.
     
  3. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    A woefully incompetent manager brought in to work with a woefully incompetent squad, both issues of which lay at the feet of our woefully incompetent board and owner.
     
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  4. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    I've never, ever contributed to a "Gaffer Out!" thread. But today we were outclassed in squad choice, set pieces, tactics and game management by Sean F**king" Dyche.
     
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  5. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    We'll be fine.
     
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  6. Kernunnos

    Kernunnos First Year Pro

    I maintain that our squad, whilst imperfect, is easily capable of finishing comfortably mid-table.

    It won't happen with this negative anus in charge. We'll pathetically fall through that trapdoor to the Championship having used barely 25% of our available ability.
     
  7. Always_A_Hornet

    Always_A_Hornet Reservist

    Has this **** gone yet?
     
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  8. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    I thought we looked the better side until their goal and then collapsed. When Dawson went off we looked weak at the back, and Burnley were always going to have a spell. Rather than bringing on Masina who isn’t a centre back, we should have gone with a four at the back and brought on Sarr and attacked them. Very few of our players look Premier League quality to be fair. I would be amazed if we stay up to be fair. We need to go for teams at home, we look like we are waiting for something to happen. I’d prefer us to go down having a go, than this rubbish.
     
  9. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Very fair post, to be fair. Will have to see how we fare. Fair?
     
  10. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    We will also have to see what not happens to QSF to be fair.
     
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  11. Hornpete

    Hornpete Squad Player

    But what comical manager could we bring in?
     
  12. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    I know we'll be fine, what about Watford FC though?
     
  13. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    He was never going to achieve it anyway. Even his defensive minded approach has been sussed out now. Chelsea's kids could of scored a lot more than just the two, and Burnley found their way through. It is not the formation that is wrong, it is the players themselves who are not up to the task of carrying out a solid game plan. We will continue to struggle even if we had a top class defence. Our real problem is up front. We score so few goals and when we get a chance, it's wasted due to inept finishing and too many touches or bad decisions. QSF cannot coach an attack from a side - but then again our striker force is the worst in the league by a country mile.

    We do not have bags of cash to throw at the club - we are where we are. But we have every right to be upset. Gino has a lot to answer for, with such disregard for where the players needed were not actioned. We spent 30M on a player who looks a shadow of what he really could be. 30M could probably get you a decent defender and a striker, even if they are from a lower league. Our ageing squad cannot keep up with an attacking style of play. We cannot go gung-hoe each game because we are so fragile at the back - it has been said time and time again.

    Our U23 have some real talent. and what is the problem with allowing some of them to step up? They will never get the chance to prove themselves at the top level. QSF did what he could, and I respect him for trying.
     
  14. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Poch is itching to take over. You read it first :D
     
  15. RookeryLad

    RookeryLad Reservist

    Are you on a wind up? That squad is a shambles. Absolutely not good enough and that is showing in the results.
     
  16. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    Do you mean mid table in the Championship?
     
  17. Kernunnos

    Kernunnos First Year Pro

    No I'm not on a wind up. We were fine up to and until the Wolves semi final. I don't know what's happened behind the scenes, but these players are capable of so much more than what we're currently seeing.
     
  18. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    Last season was a complete fluke. It happens. We have simply dropped to our natural level, and the old f**ks in our squad are another year older and more useless.
     
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  19. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    I agree that something seems to have happened behind the scenes. Not that we'd ever find out
     
  20. Heidar

    Heidar Squad Player

    Average age today was over 30. Embarrassing.
     
  21. barker

    barker Academy Graduate

    QSF came to Watford after making an utter mess of his 6 month stint coaching at Shanghai Shenhua ... he has brought with him a 'team' that have achieved very little ... I could never understand why he was re-appointed ... maybe, sadly, because no-one else would take it on ... could be a long winter ...
     
  22. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    Gino seems to have the decision making of a child sometimes. Too many goals let in? Get in a manager who specialises in not letting them in.

    To compound it, QSF's been here before and it all ended up going down the toilet. Such a lazy, lazy appointment and I bet QSF is taking it in too.
     
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  23. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Oi! Nothing embarrassing about being over 30 m8.
     
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  24. Kernunnos

    Kernunnos First Year Pro

    There was no fluke about last season.

    We've got a good squad.

    Something went wrong behind the scenes. We'll probably never know the exact details of that, but it doesn't require a rocket scientist to see that QSF and his negative tactics are only ever going to be counter productive to the SHlT we're in.
     
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  25. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    I’d love to see Zola back to be honest. At least we played quality, attacking football
     
  26. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Watching him slip and fall on his @rse in the play off Semi was class. That is passion. We need that right now.
     
  27. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    If we're buckling up for another trip down memory lane, I'd rather have Slav back as he knows how to get out of the championship.
     
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  28. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    I understand where you're coming from but there's a few things to consider.

    Foster & Holebas are 12 months older than they were when we were really playing well, which makes a big difference when you're 35/36.

    Cathcart & Mariappa were first choice pairing as centre backs for most of the season, that was never going to last.

    Femenia seems to have fallen off a cliff this season. Although improved today mind.

    Doucoure Spurs aside distracted by transfer talk. Capoue not much difference, stats might say he's intercepting less.

    Hughes as a right midfielder was totally found out. Deuolofeu much the same. Pereyra actually been improved under QSF but still, he had 4 goals in first 3 games of last season no? Most definitely a fluke.

    Deeney's been injured, Gray's limitations have been further highlighted by being forced to start rather than coming off the bench and nicking winners.

    Gracia stumbled on a unique formation and shape that worked for .a while, it's a okay squad with clear deficiencies which are clearer with injuries.

    If Janmaat, Kabasele, Pereyra & Cleverley were all available today I reckon we could've won the game.
     
  29. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    Who? Who in the squad is genuinely, "good", consistent, Premier League level?

    Talent and ability wise I'd say we have Deulofeu, Pereyra, Doucoure, Janmaat, Foster, Capoue and potentially the likes of Quina that are fit for this level but the "consistent" part of it is lacking, more so for some of them than others, but the vast majority of rest of the squad is at best not quite good enough and at worst utter, utter dross. The fact we have the likes of Mariappa starting games for us in 2020 is unforgivable.

    We are a squad full of Championship players and OAP's, but I agree that our crap manager is never going to get the best out of what we do have.
     
  30. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    it isn't though. We've had an attacking coach and defensive coach and not got the required results. The players are no longer good enough and the recruitment the last 3 years not good enough.
     
  31. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Who do you blame? Are you that bothered? I get the feeling that, like me, you feel a relegation cleanse isn't a bad idea.
     
  32. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    Deulofeu - best player we have for skill but will never be a consistent goalscorer.
    Pereyra - too lazy and don't score enough.
    Doucoure - good games and bad games. Trouble is with no competition for his place he can do what he likes.
    Janmaat - leaves gaps at the back defensively. Not that good in that respect.
    Foster - is ok with shots but bit dodgy on crosses. Getting on in years.
    Capoue - bit like Doucoure. Can stay in his comfort zone and his position is safe due to no competition for places.
    Quina - not good enough yet as 2 different managers not played him much.

    The rest as you say below this standard (apart from a brief Deeney/Gray partnership which was fruitful). And from my descriptions the standard not great to begin with. I think Gray is ok as a box player only because we don't have any other one.

    And if we are are a squad full of Championship players and OAP's like you say then our manager is getting the best out of what we have as we are in the bottom 3.
     
  33. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    I blame the unsatisfactory recruitment of players in the last 3 years for our demise. I don't mind relegation now that I feel it is going to happen.
     
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  34. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    It will be interesting to see how much we get for Doucs, Peryra and Delefeou when we are in fire sale mode.
     
  35. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    I would hope that a relegation enema washes the biggest turd of all, Gino Pozzo out of our club.
     

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