Fire Sale

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by NathWFC, Sep 11, 2020.

  1. Ainzrocker

    Ainzrocker First Year Pro

    Albeit with more international pedigree and four sides to the stadium.
     
  2. Annoying noises

    Annoying noises Academy Graduate

    Do you really believe that?
    Perhaps you could write the Pozzos a strongly worded letter to put them right.
     
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  3. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Yes I do. I think generally we have docile easily pleased fans who never hold the owners to account for their dreadful decision making. If I was Pozzo I’d just ignore our fans as well.
     
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  4. easthertshornet

    easthertshornet Reservist

    Shame that despite relegation we can't seem to hold onto our star players unlike Fulham with Mitrovic and Cairney and Villa with Grealish
     
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  5. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Squad Player

    I wrote a message to Giaretta on Instagram last night. Not that I’m expecting a response, but felt good to get it off my chest. He’s on Instagram all the time so at the very least he will see it (probably not read it). If he responds though I will put it somewhere safe.
     
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  6. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Squad Player

    Even Norwich are doing it.

    I get that we have to sell, but let’s not be the little b*tch club that just says yes sir yes sir 3 bags full sir.

    Norwich have literally said Godfrey for £50mil and they are sticking to it.

    They sold Lewis to Newcastle for £15mil. Estupinan is much better, in fact levels above him and we’re selling him for the same price.

    Aarons, Buendia, Cantwell and co all have high price tags. We should be doing the same. Promotion is worth $170-200mil. You want Sarr £60mil. If Godfrey is worth £50mil then Sarr should be valued higher. You want Suarez, £50mil. We don’t have a natural goal scorer so he’s needed. We can force players to stay. Eventually they will crack on. If we keep buckling to the pressure then we just look weak.
     
  7. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Tbf we haven't sold Sarr or Suarez yet and the club don't want to sell the former unless we get a silly bid which will be well over 50 million.

    Let's see who is here come October before making a full judgement.

    Going by the reaction generally most of our "stars" are wanted out anyway.

    I hope this Suarez is as amazing and great as people reckon!

    As good as the better known one ?
     
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  8. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    I thought people said that Gray was a natural goal scorer in the Championship.
     
  9. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    I think I'll discuss it now if that's ok with you?
     
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  10. ITK platypus

    ITK platypus Squad Player

    Watford fans are incredible. We know nothing, we don’t know who’s staying or going, we don’t know who cares and who doesn’t, we don’t know how invested the owners are and we definitely don’t know how much money is in the club.

    Watford fans are using this non information to twist it to whatever fits their narrative. I’m going to wait till the transfer window closes thanks.
     
  11. Annoying noises

    Annoying noises Academy Graduate

    Maybe if you had posted that, rather than calling people fools, your argument might have come across at being more reasonable.
    There are a lot of things I agree with you on,. Unfortunately the way you, Going Down and Nath post so aggressively, using such insulting and sarcastic language just makes me want to post back in a similarly insulting style. The only result of your offensive posts is that your opinion can't be worth much.
     
  12. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    'So aggressively' and 'insulting'? I guess you missed the Kelso years. He was King of the Clappers.
     
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  13. Annoying noises

    Annoying noises Academy Graduate

    I was there and most of the time he admitted he was drunk when he insulted people. Just like Jumbo, many of your posts are well argued and reasonable. Other times you just seem to post for a reaction or a like, which is fair enough, but it shouldn't come at the expense of other people.
     
  14. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Come on - we get a forum kicking as often as we give it out. I took multiple direct hits last night and
    Nath gets pelters on a daily basis!
     
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  15. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Cool, thanks for letting us know.
     
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  16. Annoying noises

    Annoying noises Academy Graduate

    I didn't say you didn't get insulted. However, if you look at the threads it's quite clear that most of the insults begin with you and others are replying because you wound them up. Nath is the most insulting so it follows he gets the most abuse in reply.
     
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  17. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Disagree to be honest. Often people start having a snide hack at “the usual suspects” before we are even on the thread as they are aware hapless Pozzo is about to take more flak. It’s all part of the sport and doesn’t bother me. I don’t think you are a fair internet policeman!
     
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  18. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Nath never insults others on the forum without being provoked from what I’ve read. In fact I’d say the more personal abuse comes from those seeking to defend the club against people like Jumbo, GD and Nath.
     
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  19. TomWatfordFC

    TomWatfordFC Reservist

    I'm disappointed we are losing Estupinan, mainly because that was the left wing-back position sorted for this season and back in the prem if we go up. Having said that, I'd rather we lose him than Suarez because he will be a lot cheaper and easier to replace. I hope that his replacement is of a similar age and potential (there's probably some deals to be had with players from lesser top European leagues). If we lose Suarez too, well, unless we bring another striker in, which I doubt, we would have to put a lot of faith in Gray and Pedro.

    Finally, if it's a straight up choice between Estupinan or Sarr staying, then sorry lad but on your bike Pervis.
     
  20. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    I don't think it's as simple as that. Theres no point asset stripping the side just to raise the funds to keep Sarr - and being left with a squad/team that Sarr has no interest in being part of.
     
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  21. Ainzrocker

    Ainzrocker First Year Pro

    I don't think Norwich is the appropriate comparison. They were only promoted the year prior to being relegated, and so aren't in as deep from a financial perspective as ourselves or Bournemouth.

    Both us and Bournemouth have both built up a Premier League squad on Premier League wages and Premier League overheads to an extent that Norwich haven't. Consequently, we're having to backpeddle further to readjust to the Championship.

    That said, when you do compare to Bournemouth that's where the criticism of the club becomes more pointed. Muff have moved quickly to cash in on their biggest assets and brought in big fees without selling out - Ake £41m, Wilson £20m, Ramsdale £18m. Understand the nuances of the Doucouré negotiations were unfavourable, but unless the club can get more above-market fees in for the other players we're looking to unload they will have to draw criticism for a) not selling at the right time when players were at peak value and b) not approaching the window properly and/or negotiating properly on a player by player basis.
     
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  22. ForzaWatford

    ForzaWatford Squad Player

    People seem to be getting very angry on here about things that haven’t happened yet, recently.
     
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  23. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

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    These were shared to me last night on Twitter from someone who has just joined this forum - and someone who seems to have genuine links to info. I've cropped his source out of the screenshots though for obvious reasons...

    Thought they were worth sharing.
     
  24. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    We can try to look strong, I think we have, but it seems the reality of our position is a weak one. We simply have to raise funds. I get the impression that the crisis has accelerated even in the last week.

    Over the last few years the Club must have been confident that, if relegation struck, a few player sales would sort the finances out. They would have anticipated a bidding war for Doucoure, Sarr or Deulofeu and plenty ready to take our big earners on for a small subsidy.

    It hasn't happened because the current market is so weak. Gracia's problems at Valencia are instructive. He would certainly have come in for WFC players, but he has simply watched the best of his squad go.
     
  25. Ainzrocker

    Ainzrocker First Year Pro

    Even if he wanted to be part of it, we can't have a team made up of Sarr and 10 other substandard players. The aim is to have a team capable of promotion, not keep Sarr at all costs.
     
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  26. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    And yet Bournemouth sell 3 players at top prices.
     
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  27. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

    I think we'll see one or two unexpected moves one way or the other, but I would wager we'll see the squad shape up to be this.

    Foster, Bachmann, Parkes
    Ngakia, Janmaat, Navarro
    Kabasele, Cathcart, Wilmot, Siarralta, 2x CB (No idea)
    Masina, New LB (Giannoulis)
    Hughes, Chalobah, Cleverley, Quina, Dele-Bashiru, New CM (Grimes?)
    Sarr, Penaranda, Sema, New RW (No idea)
    Gray, Pedro, Murray, Perica, Success

    On paper that is a play off capable squad with an outside automatic push.
     
  28. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    I would take this now but think it is optimistic.
     
  29. Ainzrocker

    Ainzrocker First Year Pro

    The difference is that they've sold their equivalents in terms of assets of Sarr (Ake, young with massive potential), Doucouré (Wilson, great player at peak age but past maximum sales value) and Suarez (Ramsdale, another good young player with potential, though maybe not top top talent) straight up, whereas it appears we're taking our time on Sarr, trying to keep Suarez and have undersold on Doucouré.
     
  30. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Well they probably hoped Welbeck , Deeney and Pereyra had left by now.

    And potentially Capoue.

    They maybe expected a bidding war with Doucoure rather than just one club being interested.

    We haven't sold Suarez or Sarr yet .

    We can compare and contrast if we do sell with other players.
     
  31. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    I’m considering offering you a role as an honorary Bully Boy. Keep up the good work.
     
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  32. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Sign me up. I fully turned over to the dark side as soon as I read the statement at the end of last season.
     
  33. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    I’ve actually been a member of the Forum for years, I just don’t post often and so slip by unnoticed.
     
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  34. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    As long as we hang onto Pussetto it will all be ok.
     
  35. Ainzrocker

    Ainzrocker First Year Pro

    I think it's 3-4 players off being playoff capable to be honest, largely because I can't see us scoring enough goals. You need c.75 goals to get automatics and that would mean believing Gray (20), João Pedro (15), Sarr (15), Murray (10) and another 15 from the rest of the midfield and defence (Sema, Hughes, Quina most likely I guess). To me that feels a stretch at every level.

    Add in Suarez with effective replacements for Estupinan, Capoue and the attacking midfield and you might do it though. Suarez (20), Gray (15), João Pedro (10), Sarr (10), Murray (5) feels more believable to me.
     

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