FAO: Orns in exile only...

Actually, that is quite a popular opinion here at the moment!

Liked for the word 'gotten' too. Sadly disappeared from our lexicon on this side of the pond.

 

I did a lot of reading about the cases in the show to see how well they stacked up to the actual cases. They're basically verging on 100% accurate.

I felt really, really uncomfortable reading about Kemper (Co-ed Killer). Horribly abused by his mother, at least one test showing a genius level IQ. It's pretty clearly his victims were proxies for his mother, and once he killed her he turned himself in shortly afterwards when he wasn't even on anyone's radar.

It makes you wonder what he could have been if he hadn't have been born into an abusive home, and how much of what he turned into was nature v nurture. That made me decidedly uncomfortable. Feeling sympathy for someone who did such horrific things isn't a pleasant feeling.

 

My son lives in Melbourne too. He used to have a season ticket and come to all the matches with me. Think he has lost interest in football now though

 

A sexile perhaps?

 

It wasn't long ago that I watched a documentary on the Atlanta child killings. I believe they portrayed the actual case brilliantly. Shockingly Policed by the APD, a real empathy for the families of the lost children who are still struggling.
Kemper and Fred West have very simular upbringings. Sickening, you do in a strange way feel sympathy for these sick individuals. Dahmer I believe too. Brings it perfectly to your nature v nurture topic. May have to now go and search for the topic online. No doubt plenty for me to digest.
I must recommend a Fred and Rose book. It's like 15 years since I read it and I'm racking my brain to remember the title. Sure it will pop in sometime later. So will let you know at a later date.

 

An evil love. That's the Fred West book. No relation to Colin I might add.

 

Death by BBC text coverage.

3pm Kick off

1m Penalty - West Ham

3m GOAL
Watford 0 1 West Ham

And the pub beer garden was packed with sunshine wallahs, feral middle class children with names like Chaffinch and Rowan, and yapping 'rescue' dogs and their truly pitiful attention-seeking owners.

 

Seems like Texas is a haven for hornets in the United States.

It’s good knowing there are others in the vague vicinity who share the misery of following our crap football club.

 

Yep, it's the people who live out of town and who go to 1 or 2 matches a season that are the true supporters.

Jesus wept.

 

I've had some of my most memorable watford moments watching from afar. The Brighton promotion game was on TV in my hotel in the Mekong Delta. I was pretty much bouncing off the ceiling when Vydra scored. Watching the last few minutes of the Cojones Arsenal game in Shenzhen when the cleaners were cleaning up the bar and all the other punters had gone home and going Batshit crazy when Cleverley scored before realising the bar staff were looking at me wondering whether to call the police or the local loony bin. But the 2nd half of the Mazzarri era was really really bad. Basically going to a bar in SE Asia on a Saturday night when everyone else was out partying. Arriving bright eyed and bushy tailed, ordering the first underpriced beer of the night, asking for a channel change if required, looking like a man, on his game, living the tropical dream before slowly descending, into a tragic, drunk, moist eyed, middle aged disaster zone, wondering where it all went wrong in the space of only 110 minutes. Thank u Walter Mazzarri. That Stoke game is permanently etched into the darkest corner of my soul. The feeling of getting up off the bar stool and walking out of the bar alone after witnessing that game is worse than anything I experienced live. When you're at the stadium you have people to share it with, for me that massively softens the blow. In 1996 pre internet the only way of finding out if we'd been relegated in Dhaka, Bangladesh was buying a copy of the daily mail for £4 which I guess would be about £8 in today's money (or £10 on November 1st). Standing there in the heat finding out we'd gone back down to the third with the added humiliation of buying the daily mail - I cant believe it wouldve felt worse seeing it live in the stadium with family and fellow Watford fans. For me going to games is all about love, the love of Watford FC, accepting the bad times and taking them on the chin, revelling in the good times and making the most of them, family traditions of going to the stadium, the feeling of being part of something u really care about with others who feel similarly. Watching from afar feels a bit more like a demented addiction to me.

 

Great post Mr Gasm.

Having been an exile for 40 years, but up until a decade ago able to return several times a year for a Vic fixation, from the 80s I miss pre-match at the Rifle and from the 90s I miss pre-match at West Herts.

 

The money I would have spent following Watford this season I've invested into the full sky sports/BT package. Exiled to the lounge.

 

I’ve been blissfully living outside the UK for 10 years but find I need the soul crushing constant of checking-up on Watford to keep my masochistic tendencies in check. When I’m lying on an island beach on Sunday morning surrounded by exotic women, checking my phone and seeing Watford 0-3 Brighton reminds me what a piece of **** I really am

 

I probably watch or stream 10 games a season, listen to the radio for a few and forget 2 or 3 entirely.

I am 42% more relaxed, 38% happier and 66% more virile than when I was a weekly visitor to the vic. I would recommend this program to anyone looking to improve themselves for their spouse or mistress.

 

And what about the other 25 or so games?

 

It's been alluded to elsewhere, but the first thing I noticed pre-match was the bizarre stain on the back of QSF's top.

Surely one can't sweat like that? At that angle?

That aside, thoroughly enjoyed screaming encouragement at a screen in a beer garden during the second half.

Plastic Fantastic!!!

 

That's where the AI attaches itself to you in the real world. This was a glitch that you're not supposed to see when in the matrix.

 

I think when you can only get to a limited number of games per season , spending out on flights hotels etc ,using valuable holiday entitlement etc your determined to enjoy it whatever happens ,whatever the result !
By the way I still hate the horns losing ,but being wrong side of fifty does give a different perspective say to the right side of 20 .

 

Change of venue to watch the game tomorrow.

I've got a good feeling about this...

 

Any of you fellas who ended up in Norway, will you be taking up the option of dual citizenship in January 2020? Just wondering on other people's opinions on whether it's a beneficial thing to take up. I'm sure there's pros and cons but I've not really read up enough about it.

 

I am in Sweden and qualified for citizenship in August. I applied in September and had my passport by November

I see no reason to not do it