Discussion in 'General Football & Other Sport' started by Clive_ofthe_Kremlin, Aug 6, 2018.
If they beat City, he will get the sack for handing the title to Liverpool.
Absolute cat-astrophe for Marco today.
A step closer to the snake getting the boot me thinks, lets hope the final straw is when we beat them next week
Odds have reduced even further now. He's 2/1 with most bookies. Only Puel at 6/4 is above him.
It's a case of 'when' not 'if' he gets fired. His next match is City at home on Wednesday, then us. I think most would expect Everton to lose on Wednesday, but I can see our match being the crunch one for him. Lose that and he's got to go...….surely?
Everton have a terrible run of games from now until the end of the season. I think they could dramatically freefall. I can make a case for them picking up points at West Ham, Burnley at home and maybe us if we play like we did on Saturday, but there aren't too many fixtures where I'd back them to win.
Man City (h ), Watford (a ), Cardiff (a ), Liverpool (h ), Newcastle (a ), Chelsea (h ), West Ham (a ), Arsenal (h ), Fulham (a ), United (h ), Palace (a ), Burnley (h ), Spurs (a ). Cardiff and Newcastle are both resurgent, Fulham with Mitrovic will test their defence, and all the others are tough no matter when you play them (although Arsenal are a bit powderpuff at times).
They are on 33 points, which at this stage of the season should be enough to save them, but if they get more than 40 points this season I'd be very surprised.
Watford, Cardiff, Newcastle, West Ham, Fulham, Palace, Burnley are all very winnable games. Even Chelsea and Arsenal are home games and neither of those teams are pulling up any trees currently. It's really no worse than most teams run in
All winnable if you're Man City!! Any away game is a potential defeat for most clubs outside of the top 6. Their home fixtures look particularly bad.
You have them potentially winning 9 of their last 14 games...….I would be surprised if they won more than 2.
In fairness I said winnable!! All our home games look winnable but you would get good odds on us winning them all
The funniest thing about this thread is the fact that they will finish above us.
That's my reading of it.
Going to look dumb when they finish 8th just below Wolves and we are about 10th.
Season not over yet and they are about as many points as us
Precisely. They probably will. If not probably there is a good chance.
We are celebrating like they are almost relegated with 3 games to go
I agree but it's tremendous fun all the same!
Yep, and this is why I don't really understand why people think he's on the verge of being sacked. They are nowhere near in danger of relegation and will most likely finish top half. They were desperate to get "Ssssssilva" so are bound to give him another couple of transfer windows to transform that crappy squad (crappy through no fault of his). The players he bought in the summer seem to be their best players, so what's he done wrong exactly?
In fairness though, I think we could have said those same things while he was here, as things were going bad. For the longest time, we were absolutely shocking, but stuck around mid-table because we started out quite well and most of the league was crap.
The key for me is that the same flaws we saw, seem to be the same issues Everton are suffering now. We were absolutely dreadful at defending set pieces, which is exactly what's going on with them. Discipline/concentration was lacking, with needless red cards and loads of late goals against us, just as Everton do now. There was also a complete and utter lack of a plan B, and when things started to turn against us, there was no sign of anything being doing to alter that. Now maybe it was just because he was throwing the towel in, but given that he's in his dream job and history is repeating itself in terms of performances and issues, I'd be inclined to think that he's actually just a bit *****. I think with the squad they have, they should comfortably finish above us and most of the other mid-table dwellers.
It would literally be the best poetic justice ever if we beat them and he gets the chop.
Yes, but we're overachieving against expectations and they're underachieving.
They're a grand old top 7 team, we're lucky to escape relegation again
Not really one to give a flying about other teams But it's quite amusing to me how they have capitulated results wise.
Looking forward to Man City giving them a good going over and for us to get back on track and put them to the sword.
Hearing Sam Allardyce on Talksport this morning actually made me feel a bit sorry for them, (for about 60 seconds). He claimed that it was Lukaku being sold that made him setup Everton the way he did. He said that because he knew they couldn't score many goals that he had to make sure the one goal they scored per game was enough to get them the 3 points, hence the defensive setup. He also couldn't mention "Ssssssilva" in any way shape or form.
So not only was he delusional about his tactics/playing style but he obviously holds grudges. Praise the lord we got rid of him as England manager so quickly.
Pint o wine and a bribe
Good (critical) article about Everton on page 63 of today's Times.
Full, unencrypted, article below :-
£340m spent and still Everton have no coherent plan under Marco "Ssssssilva"
oliver kay, chief football correspondent
It is not the fixture list that Marco "Ssssssilva" would have chosen as the pressure at Everton intensifies. After an alarming run of seven defeats in 11 matches, tomorrow night brings Manchester City to Goodison Park. Three days later comes a trip to face his former club Watford at Vicarage Road, where his struggles on Merseyside have aroused little sympathy.
When Watford sacked "Ssssssilva", 41, just over 12 months ago after a run of one win in 11 matches, they did not hesitate to hold Everton responsible, saying that “had it not been for the unwarranted approach of a Premier League rival for his services, we would have continued to prosper under his leadership”. A year on, though, Watford are enjoying life under Javi Gracia. Everton, having finally appointed "Ssssssilva" last May, are not.
There were jeers at the final whistle as Everton succumbed to a 3-1 defeat by Wolverhampton Wanderers on Saturday. It was their third loss in their past four home matches, leaving them 14 points adrift of the Premier League’s top six, but even more alarming than the results has been the team’s lack of direction and the growing feeling that a £340 million transfer outlay over the past two and a half years has brought far more problems than it has solved.
The former England midfielder Jermaine Jenas said on Match of the Day on Saturday that he no longer knew what Everton were supposed to be. It is a familiar complaint among the club’s supporters. In less than three years they have gone from Roberto Martínez to Ronald Koeman (via David Unsworth) to Sam Allardyce and now to "Ssssssilva" while spending money like never before. To put it in Everton terms, "Ssssssilva"’s vision is more “school of science” than “dogs of war”, but the approach on the pitch has looked neither scientific nor belligerent. No on-pitch identity seems discernible from one game to the next.
"Ssssssilva" was hired not just to take Everton to the next level, trying to break into the Premier League’s top six, but to try to re-establish that identity and introduce a more attractive playing style. So far, as at Watford, he has done little to support his reputation as one of the brightest young coaches in Europe.
It is his job to find a winning formula, but Everton reflect the passing fancies not just of a succession of managers with different ideas but of two different directors of football (Steve Walsh, who arrived in July 2016, and Marcel Brands, who replaced him last summer). Throw in the influence of various agents with a hotline to the club’s hierarchy and you end up with a squad that looks far better on paper than it is proving on grass. As Farhad Moshiri the majority shareholder, admitted last month, the club had been guilty of “poor judgment” in the transfer market.
In central defence alone, Everton have Michael Keane, Phil Jagielka, Kurt Zouma and Yerry Mina. In central midfield there is Idrissa Gueye, Morgan Schneiderlin, André Gomes, Tom Davies and James McCarthy. Their attacking options include Theo Walcott, Gylfi Sigurdsson, Ademola Lookman, Bernard, Richarlison, Cenk Tosun and Dominic Calvert-Lewin.
With no European football to contend with (and having fallen at the second hurdle in both the FA Cup and the Carabao Cup), it looks like far too many players of similar quality but contrasting style competing for 11 places.
Everton’s wage bill rose from £104.6 million in 2016-17 to £145.5 million last season, which is likely to be similar to the figure in Tottenham Hotspur’s annual report when it is submitted to Companies House. Everton’s figure for 2017-18 is understood to include pay-offs for Koeman, Allardyce and Walsh, but that, too, reflects poor decision-making. After all those years lamenting the financial divide between Everton and the Champions League elite, it must be so galling for supporters that so much of their new-found wealth, under the Moshiri regime, has been squandered.
Sigurdsson and Richarlison have been the most expensive, arriving for £40 million apiece from Swansea City and Watford respectively, but their contributions have been sporadic. Walcott’s, since his £20 million arrival from Arsenal in January last year, has barely even been that, yet he has started 20 league games this season. Schneiderlin has started 40 Premier League matches since his £20 million transfer from Manchester United two years ago.
Everton’s Tosun, left, and Gomes, appear resigned to defeat to WolverhamptonGARETH COPLEY/GETTY IMAGES
"Ssssssilva" has shown a pleasing willingness to pick younger players such as Jonjoe Kenny, Davies, Lookman and Calvert-Lewin, as did Koeman and Allardyce, but there has been little continuity in selection. Kenny and Davies were among the more creditable performers on Saturday, but it remains to be seen whether "Ssssssilva" will stick with them against Manchester City.
There is no wish at Everton to continue the chopping and changing of the past few years, but Moshiri warned at the club’s annual meeting on January 8 that their league performance was “just not good enough”. Since then they have won two and lost two in the Premier League and have been knocked out of the FA Cup by Millwall. There is particular concern about their performances at Goodison Park, where their next five visitors are Manchester City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and Manchester United.
Moshiri also said last month that the manager retained his “total support” — “we put a big bet on Marco and we stick with him” — but "Ssssssilva" has admitted that the pressure is there. He will not underestimate Manchester City’s or Watford’s very contrasting motivation to crank it up.
‘My well of sympathy is pretty dry for Marco "Ssssssilva"’ - Jonathan Northcroft.
*Northcroft wrote a genuinely good book about our league win if you fancied reading something magnificent....
Deftly cutting in from the left, leaving the original thread topic floundering in your wake.
Are there interviews in the book with Schmeichel, Morgan & Huth?
They come across as intelligent people with strong character.
Less intrigued by the views of Jamie ‘Unused Sub’ Vardy.
Isn't Vardy's book "Top 20 Wetherspoons in Leicestershire"?
Vardy has a book ? Can he read ?
Huth especially comes across really well, such an interesting guy. Very different to most footballers, reminds me of Deeney in a way if a little more laid back.
Jamie Vardy + literature reminds me of a Charlie Brooker joke about some C-list celeb with an autobiography chewing the corners of their book like a baby chimp.
Not my intention to hijack the thread. As you were. Snakey out.
I have heard that schmeichel is a real arrogant shyt. Can anyone confirm?
Think he takes himself quite seriously.
No, perpetual flatulence.
If you suffer from flatulence, gk has to be the best position.
Trefartista is the best position for a gassy player.
Dropped Richarlison. #beginningoftheend
Would they really sack "Ssssssilva" after playing us? That would be the most publicly embarrassing scenario, sacking the manger they poached from us after they play us? If they do sack him, I reckon it'll be at least one match after ours, just to save a bit of face (presuming they lose of course).
Lose tonight and he's in the *****
Win tonight and he's in the *****