Everton 1-0 Watford FC - 17/08/2019

Discussion in 'Match Day' started by GoingDown, Aug 13, 2019.

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Who wins?

  1. Watford

    27 vote(s)
    21.6%
  2. Everton

    56 vote(s)
    44.8%
  3. Draw

    17 vote(s)
    13.6%
  4. NathWFC

    25 vote(s)
    20.0%
  1. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    If we'd sold them Doucs would we have won?
     
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  2. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    I am as well, but in reality one of the things that this stat does not show is the effectiveness of winning those aerial duels. It's one of the long term complaints of Troy, that his idea of winning an aerial duel is to get his head on it at all, and immediately flick it on somewhere. The problem is that no one is quite sure where that somewhere is going to be, including him, and more often than not it's not a space any of our players are occupying or, indeed, even threatening to occupy.

    It's almost like he's desperately obsessed with stat padding solely in the 'aerial duels won' category; that is his own personal Waterloo. As long as it bongs off his bonce it's golden, never mind where it's headed. And don't even talk to him about the idea of bringing it down and controlling it. How very dare you.
     
  3. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    It's strange when it comes to Deeney, even a positive stat associated with him is twisted to find the negative side. Had he not won any duels then that would be a negative stat. Being second in the league for winning the ball in the air is very commendable. This is not just for strikers, this includes central defenders winning the ball from corners etc as well.

    How can he bring it down on his chest when he's contesting in the air against his opponent? Seriously....you've got to be fair to the guy.
     
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  4. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    I'm not a fan of panic early-season sackings, especially when our two star signings haven't had a change to bed in and show what they can do. Even if they play the next 180 minutes, that isn't enough for somebody coming back from a long-term injury and another starting out in a tougher league in a foreign country where he may well not know the language.
     
  5. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    When should we expect to start getting points?
     
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  6. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    But that guy said he never wins a header.

    Who to believe?
     
  7. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Let's wait and see. Obviously if we get well behind Gino would need to act, but setting managers or head coaches points targets never works.
     
  8. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    Yes, and I think West Ham will not be very happy with their start to the season, either. So there might be a real battle on Saturday, and not necessarily a sportsmanlike one, either.
     
  9. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Well......they mugged us off last season, or rather Antonio did with his diving antics, which of course Kavanaugh fell for hook, line and sinker.

    We owe them one. If we are to turn the tide, it will have to start on Saturday. I'm confident we'll win that and will be back on track somewhat.
     
  10. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    I think there's a lot in that. You mentioned Aubamayang (?) a while back - he was plainly fouled by Kabasele last year, kept on his feet to shoot and was not awarded a penalty. Advantage rule? No, he was stumbling. It was clearly a penalty, but he didn't go over.
    But Peyreyra and Deulofeu need to practise falling convincingly.
     
  11. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    Your own eyes?
     
  12. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    [​IMG]
     
  13. Leighton Buzzer

    Leighton Buzzer Reservist

    Ah, that makes sense then, thank you for informing me, I am not very streetwise when it comes to this type of thing.
     
  14. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Er....there were definitely Watford forums in the 90s. The internet might not have gone mainstream, but they still existed. There were also IRC channels and other mediums of interaction.
     
  15. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Yeah but only the most speccy of computer nerds 1. had a computer capable of having the internet and 2. had the nerdiness to go to online forums.

    Most football fans in the 90s did not fit this profile.
     
  16. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Obviously there was some dramatic licence in that comment, but yes, I do take your point. That being said, are you contending the main point, that a great deal of the headers he wins are poorly placed/wasted possession?
     
  17. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Oh, so your point is essentially that the thickos have arrived now? Carry on then.
     
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  18. My first forum was in 1982 and ran on my ZX81 Spectrum

    It ran like this:

    10 Print “please post your comment”
    20 wait 60
    30 Print “great post”
    40 Print “I agree”
    50 Print “wow you are so clever”
    60 go to 10
     
  19. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    No my point was the thickos have always been there. You computer types have just given them an audience of billions.
     
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  20. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    He's teaching himself by reading the forum each day.

    So far he's got to 'Hello, I am Kate Bush'.
     
  21. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    But doesn't the loan window close quite soon?
     
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  22. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Lacazette.

    He should have been given a special award for sportsmanship/benched for the next month for naivety.
     
  23. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    The term is Junior Common Room wise.
     
  24. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Ham radio?
     
  25. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Fever Pitch opened the floodgates.
     
  26. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Ah yes. The WML. Is that still about?
     
  27. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Surely some snide comments about Jack Taylor & his guide dog.
     
  28. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    No not really. I think we profit greatly from his headers. If the move breaks down or no goal scored, that's not down to him. Of course, he's not perfect, but I think a fair percentage he wins set us up for at least a chance to score/build an attack. I certainly wouldn't be complaining about that part of his game for sure.
     
  29. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    If he is winning that amount in the air maybe some of his team mates should look to occupy these positions.
     
  30. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    No. It SLAMS SHUT quite soon.
     
  31. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Surely Mawson, as a (one time) u21, can come any time.

    Grew up in Hillingdon so should be ours anyway.
     
  32. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    If he’s winning that amount in the air, maybe he should think about heading it into the opposition net a lot more.

    16 headed goals for Watford (6 in the PL) out of his 123 goals. Nearly 1 in 8 goals. For someone supposedly with such success in the air, couldn’t he be more effective with it?
     
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  33. CleyHorn

    CleyHorn Reservist

    Just more than 1:8 goals. Just saying.
     
  34. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    We don't score many headed goals as a team though. We have wingers who don't cross, 1 out of 2 full backs that have a 1 in 10 decent cross ratio.
     
  35. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Unfortunately, you need to be inside the opposition box to have a realistic chance of scoring headed goals.
     
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