Euro 2016 Mega Thread

Discussion in 'General Football & Other Sport' started by reids, May 13, 2016.

  1. Roger Irrelevant

    Roger Irrelevant Reservist

    “You go to Holland, France, Germany, every community, the tiniest village, they have magnificent, pristine sports facilities.”

    Quote by Graham Taylor
     
  2. reids

    reids First Team

    Exert from his book called Das Reboot, highly recommend it, a fantastic read, under a tenner on Amazon.
     
  3. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Gary Lineker just hit the nail on the head:

    Italy: Decent players, not great players. Brilliantly coached. Tactically astute. Every player perfectly drilled. Belief in plan and system.
    England: Decent players, not great players. Poorly coached. Tactically inept. Every player perfectly confused. No belief in plan and system.
     
  4. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Agreed completely. Though a shame he didn't speak up earlier in the tournament as the evidence was there then. Instead, the media were lauded them as 'sensational'.

    I noticed Lee Dixon backtracking on that last night and saying 'they did alright' against Russia.
     
  5. Harrow Orn

    Harrow Orn Squad Player

    It would be so typical if the FA picked Southgate. Another yes man, another who will more than likely pick players based on reputation than current form. Another team which has bags of ability but is ultimately stifled by negative, old fashioned tactics.

    Get Eddie Howe in. Attacking, free flowing football is what our fans need and deserve right now. Will it happen? No. Of course not.

    Bring on Southampton away.
     
  6. Douglas Rinaldi

    Douglas Rinaldi Reservist

    The foundation of Italy's success is that their back line is an international dream - domestically they all play together for one of the best teams in the world, and have a ton of experience. Any one of them could be captain because they're all leaders. It makes everything else about the team easier. It's no surprise that they looked average against Rep. Ireland after ringing in the changes.

    But he's right - Conte has them organised and drilled very well. Structure and team ethic breeds confidence, and enables the likes of Giaccherini and Eder to play beyond themselves.
     
  7. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    I've watched a lot of Rashford over the second half of the season. He has been fantastic, always looks to take on his man and beat him, and can provide that bit of directness when needed. He was better over the second half of the season than 5 or 6 attacking players on the pitch yesterday.

    Why Roy didn't bring him on until 3 minutes to go, makes me scratch my head. Some of Quique's substitutions last season look tactically astute in comparison.

    We had no game plan whatsoever. Some of it was Sunday league stuff. I would genuinely take Eddie Howe, if he would take the job, because A: it would make Muff angry and B: because it cannot get worse.
     
  8. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    "Right from the outset since I took over I have said that the only route forward to achieve a semblance of success is to try and be a like a club team," said Conte.

    "We can't simply be a group of players. There is no point in hiding it, this is not the rosiest period for Italy in terms of talent.

    "Given the fact we can't fall back on a selection of good players we have to be a collective. I have battled for two years for people to understand this and we are a team.

    "We have been working very intensively for a month now, tactically and physically, in a bid to surprise people and we have already succeeded on that."

    It's a shame we can't have a manager with that sort of mentality. Or a squad that thinks it too.

    Our manager thinks they are all world beaters, the players think they are all world beaters and the press blows smoke up their arse until they inevitably fail.
     
  9. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

  10. Timbers

    Timbers Apeman

    But they wouldn't get their 200k per week, a TOWIE girl or the London nightlife. That is all 99% are interested in now.
     
  11. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Shearer bigging himself up. Good ****ing grief.
     
  12. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Certainly the case for the English players. I don't think you could say the same about a lot of the players for the big nations. After all, it's safe to say that the majority of the Spain squad that won three tournaments in a row were on huge wages and experienced the celebrity culture.

    That comes down to mentality and I believe that English players do not have the mentality to balance success for the international team and the fame and the money that come with playing in England.

    Martin Glenn said it himself today, 'the players do it for nothing'. That quote doesn't come from nowhere and I believe it is something that a lot of the players think and how they reconcile with the failure that they always experience for England.
     
  13. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    Good call. Howe has proved he can get the best out of players and we desperately need that.
     
  14. Roger Irrelevant

    Roger Irrelevant Reservist

    Eddie Howe...Jesus

    Did you actually watch the game? They are useless and incapable of a high tempo attacking game. He won't touch it with a barge pole anyway. Smarmy yes, stupid no.

    We need a pragmatist. Someone to organise and who isn't afraid to draft in unfashionable players to do a job. We have to stop thinking that we are a serious competitive football nation. We are NOT.
     
  15. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    The fact that Hodgson didn't pick a squad capable of a high tempo attacking game doesn't mean another manager couldn't. Whoever succeeds Hodgson isn't stuck with his picks.
     
  16. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Can't see a better candidate. Has a clear brand of football, improves players and is a leader. To my mind, it would be a risk free appointment too for the FA - England fans expectations are now so woefully low that even if Howe failed, I think most people would accept that at least we tried something different.
     
  17. Nnnn

    Nnnn First Team

    Eddie Howe...Antichrist more like
     
  18. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    I can see the connection but I don't see how the Slovakia game should be looked at in retrospect as to why we failed yet again.

    You talked about the poor passing in the game but I think you'll agree it was only in the final third that the standard really declined - last night it was far worse, and all over the pitch this time! I would imagine surely you and even most of Hodgson's fiercest critics didn't see such a performance coming.

    As for my comment about people wanting England to fail, I apologize as it was a petulant remark made in the heat of the moment, but at the time I really did think that people were too quick to get on Hodgson's back just because he made a few at worst debatable tactical decisions (or so it seemed at the time) and we didn't have the best of starts, given teams often do well in tournaments after slow starts (look at Italy 1982, France '06 and even Portugal might do well) and I thought given his impressive record with a variety of teams over the world I honestly believed we could do well with what looked like a decent and committed group of players (a view put into alarming doubt last night). Sadly, I'll admit I was very much mistaken and now I know better...
     
  19. iamofwfc

    iamofwfc Squad Player

    On a positive note I have Iceland in the sweepstake!

    It will be interesting to see how many people renew their Engalnd fans travel membership (the system they use so they know who has priority for away tickets and major tourenments) it's cost £70 for the pleasure of having the opportunity to buy a tick to watch that shower around the world, it would be a lovely if the players had a whip round and said they would foot the bill. The next major tournament is Russia, no one I know is definitely going to go, after that all over Europe, costly enough and time consuming just travelling around France and then Qutar (was there for 2 nights and was bored after half a day) hopefully Russia and quatar will lose world cups and now platini has gone hopefully the euros will go,back to one or two countries having the euros.

    Tough times ahead for the fa and the England team, not sure what the answer is but do not seem to be going forward.

    I can handle Engalnd not winning anything but we don't even look like competing anymore.

    We walked out group with 100% record it is not an easy thing to do in modern football.

    It still amazes me that all the Iceland fans I met it was their dream to play England more then any other European team, not sure if they were just saying that but seem genuine.

    Good luck on Sunday against the French, the Iceland fans were a credit to their nation and the tournament, they were practically appologising for beating us. I hope we get to play them soon, they like a drink as well, including the women. In our hotel they had three generations of one family who came over for the game, men and women.

    Engalnd started the tournament with everything wrong with football, the Russian hoolighans, the English ********s, the French police, the French strikes, the French transport system, the logistics of the French transport system, the price of warm beer, the organisation of getting to the ground and getting in (while getting tear gassed) in my option England's tournament ended with everything great about football, fans getting on, the underdog give a "big Team" a bloody nose, great host (thanks nice, a city that felt they wanted you there) expteded happy hours where you could get a cold decent beer for 5 euros, fans getting on and drinking togther and singing togther (including Germans) apart from the nice ultras that turned up but the local police dealt with them well, getting to the ground and home was great, back in town centre within an hour, keeping the bars open so we could have a drink with the Iceland fans. The behaviour of the Engalnd fans after the shock defeat, shame the press don't want to report that,

    Good luck Iceland !
     
  20. Nnnn

    Nnnn First Team

  21. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Well he probably fancies a job as well..
     
  22. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    It struck me yesterday how eerily similar Hodgson's tactics, team selections, set-up and demeanour were to Flores's, especially second half of last season.

    Overly defensive tactics even against teams we should easily be beating, players put out of position in an often illogical and arbitrary manner, attacking alternating between slow build-up that goes nowhere and long punts that don't even reach the penalty area, lack of movement, alarming deterioration in play after a promising beginning with players seemingly unable to shoot straight or pass five yards ahead, a manager who picks favourites with more effective players severely marginalized and rigidly sticks to the same tried and failed strategies, betraying a stubbornness and arrogance strangely at odds with his humble media persona, and when it matters can't deliver when the pressure is on.

    I'm confident that Mazzarri will be our equivalent of hopefully Euro Champ winning Conte (loved that little touchline tantrum BTW after one of his players showed a rare moment of carelessness in letting the ball go out of play vs Spain) as he leads us to our first top 10 finish in 30 years, looking forward to it!
     
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  23. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    We could do a lot worse than to bring back Glen Hoddle, as long as he keeps his Bible Bashing out of it!
     
  24. reids

    reids First Team

    I'm really torn on him as a pundit, one minute he'll say something incredibly insightful, then 2 minutes later say something absolutely ridiculous. Surely there must be better around managerial wise though, he hasn't managed for 10 years!
     
  25. iamofwfc

    iamofwfc Squad Player

    As a coach hoddle is brilliant, as a man manger he is useless, people seem to forget that he failed at spurs and at Wolves, there is a bit of me that says bring back terry venables and maybe hoddle as his coach, think I may be grasping at straws here, really do want an Englishman. Maybe big Sam is the man, I know it may not be pretty but think he would do a job on knock out international football, but I thought Keegan was a great choice, shows what I know! Maybe the fa should employ someone like Clive woodwood, who learns and takes time but would make sure the best people employed in the best departments. Would the fa ever consider Sean dyche ? Big gamble but I think he ticks a lot of boxes
     
  26. Harefield Yellow

    Harefield Yellow First Year Pro

    The two finest tactical England displays I've ever seen were when Hoddle was in charge, namely playing for 10 men against the Argies (and being bloody unlucky not to win) for over an hour in France '98, and the draw against Italy in Rome which got us there as group winners in the first place.
     
  27. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    What about the tactics against an average Romania side that cost us an easier route to the final?
     
  28. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    Southgate would be an awful choice. I'd even rather McClaren again than him, and that is saying something. Or David Moyes.

    I'd go for an experienced tactician, like Marcelo Lippi, who will sort out our defence and allow us to have a plan. He might not be a long term solution, but our English managerial talent pool is currently extremely limited, and he could create a young solid defence which future managers could build on. And he has won the World Cup, so who can argue with that?
     
  29. reids

    reids First Team

    There's so many good young progressive coaches/managers out there. Germany are cranking them out by the truckload (Tuchel, Roger Schmidt for example), hell even Hoffenheims manager is 28 years old! I am completely against what Roy said about not needing a system. Of course you need a system, there's plenty of ambitious young managers out there that would've done shed-loads better than what Roy has done over the past few weeks, now would be an ideal time to make such an appointment, with confidence in England and the FA at a very very low level.
     
  30. J.B

    J.B First Team

    Hoddle is a poor manager and a moron. The sort of person who thick people think is clever because he incorrectly uses big words. Last time he worked in football was at QPR where he was brought in to implement a 3-5-2 formation, a system that was scrapped after about two games because of how poorly it worked. He was then sacked a couple of months later with players since coming out and saying how the modern game has left him behind.

    There is no English manager who is up to the job currently. The only person who you could make a case for is Allardyce, but appointing him would be an acceptance of our lowly place in international football, which the FA are too arrogant to do. We need to appoint a foreign manager, but again this would be a damning indictment of the FA and the lack of decent English coaches they have produced.
     
  31. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    I'm not totally convinced by Howe either, but what makes you think he couldn't do a decent job?
     
  32. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Portugal through again without winning in 90 minute..
     
  33. iamofwfc

    iamofwfc Squad Player

    I don't know if it is jealousy but seems wrong that a side that finished 3rd in a group of 4, who had to see how other teams did before they knew if they qualified, I was at the Portugal v Hungary game and thenportyigaul players and fans seems to think they were put at the final whistle, and who have not won a game in 90minutes are in the semi final. Not sure if I can bring myself to cheer on wales tonight, nothing to do with how their players celebrated after Engalnd went out, again maybe jealousy, but I wish the Engalnd players could have the same spirit.

    The more I think about it I would love to see dyche as England manager or at least given a chance, but deep down I know it will never happen. I like Roy but comparing the stick to what God got when he went out to a good Sweden team compared to what Roy is getting is not on, it proves you have to suck up to the press, something God would never do, (not that I want Roy to get any more stick, I think the players are to blame and the culture of being an Engalnd player, Denmark proved in 1992 that preparation is important, not sure how a winters break will make any difference.

    The country really needs a boost at the moment to try and unite us again and I was hoping a good euros for England may do it. Whoever the next England manager I think they should drop Rooney from the squad, don't think he is a good captain and not since 2004 has he had an impact on a major tourenment. I know he is the record goal scorer, as for Ali, I thought he could shine here and did not.

    Going to watch the re run of the games and my opinion may change, what I can remember, we should have stuffed Russia, and Slovakia.

    Good luck to Iceland on Sunday

    Come on italy

    In dyche we trust !
     
  34. Nnnn

    Nnnn First Team

  35. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

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