Domingos Quina

Just total incompetence all round. Sending him on loan made sense if we (Munoz/Gino, who knows?) were totally committed to 4-4-2 Dinosaur/Deeney ball for the rest of the season, but to be that blinkered and commited to such an awful system in the first place is ridiculous.

 

See also: Estupinan.

 

And Hughes. Wilmot and Dahlberg too I think. We may come to regret those in a few years.

Bizarre priorities from the higher ups.

 

Or the other way round...

 

Keep the troublemakers, get rid of the talented kid #thewatfordway

 

I think the club have treated him poorly and have gone back on their word to give young players a chance this season. They loan him out, showing they don't want him, and replace him with a couple of old crocks such as Gosling and Sanchez. More evidence of clueless thinking at the top.

 

Just a slightly improved version of McGugan.

Hitting the odd 30 yard screamer doesn't make up for being sloppy in possession and generally a bit of luxury

 

He has had a few chances and generally not impressed with performance or attitude, plus his lockdown misdemeanour. He would do well to keep quiet, work hard and try to prove he is worth keeping.

 

I've seen no evidence of poor attitude. The lockdown misdemeanour also included Chalobah and Gray, both are still part of things, so I don't believe that has any bearing on anything.

I disagree with not impressing. He's had some very good performances in the past. Of course he's played poorly at times too, but he's young and is learning. No, for me, I just don't understand the rationale behind this. A young, highly talented player. Exactly the type we should be nurturing this season. I just put it down as another poor decision from those at the top.

 

He's been given a chance, not played well, been dropped, with no immediate prospect of getting in the team ahead of the current front 5. The loan makes sense to me and is probably better for his development than being a peripheral figure here, and this seems to have been the logic. I guess we could have kept him as a bench option if we were chasing a game, but I certainly wouldn't want the risk of bringing him on if we were protecting a lead.

 

No serious or well run club loans out Quina and signs Gosling - it just doesn’t happen. We’re ran by people who don’t know what they’re doing; seems like that anyway

 

They gave him chances and was poor

 

I thought he was decent and certainly someone useful to come off the bench and affect the game. I'm surprised you are trying to find ways to justify the decision making.

Do you advocate developing young players or would you prefer to loan them out and sign old crocks, which is what we did.

Some fans think whatever the club does, is always the correct decision and look for ways to justify it. However, sometimes they make the wrong call....and in the last two years they've done that a hell of a lot of times, hence why we're now in the Championship with massive debt. We now have to restructure deals with the likes of Fluminense because we cannot pay them on time.

 

I don't agree at all, unless your joking.

Quina is raw and unreliable, as well as not being a natural central midfielder. Gosling is a promotion winner (only 3 others have in the squad) and can grab a goal.

 

No, I’m not. Quina is unreliable yet starts for a team in Granada that is based on hard work and being tactically astute, he was also 1st for Watford in terms of attempted tackles per 90 (4.5) and 3rd in chances created per 90 (1.2) prior to being loaned out. You can’t really judge him off of the Ivi* team because A) out of position and B) everyone was awful. Sierralta looked like he’d never seen a football before, now look at him. Gosling wasn’t really a signing we needed, we’ve got players similar to him already, what we needed was someone like Quina who can make things happen. Pretty stupid in my view to loan him out when he wasn’t given a chance to play in a 433. Gosling; Injury prone, ageing and limited or Quina; High upside, can do what Gosling does, and offer more going forward - it’s the latter every single time

 

I've seen plenty of Quina, enough to see that he dallies on the ball and is guilty of overplaying. He's a talent but I think he's more suited to less intense leagues.

It's all about opinions though, but I like experience in the situation we're in

 

This pisses me off, as I have always thought a central AMF role was his best position and would have loved him to be available to us right now

 

Wouldn't get in the team ahead of the incumbants would he ?
Gosling is a completely different player signed to back up Chalobah/Hughes. Quina is not a defensive midfielder no matter what his tackle stats say.

 

I'm enjoying Zinc playing in that advanced playmaker CM role, and I think Quina would have been the perfect back-up there. He wasn't great for much of the early season, but who was under Ivic. The whole team was tepid and disjointed.
Also got to factor in the crazy fixture schedule and need for rotation due to injuries and suspensions.
Loaning him out was definitely a mis-step in my opinion.

 

Quina’s only chances came during a time when almost nobody was looking good. Sema and Femenia are the only 2 I can think of. Even Sarr looked spectacularly average at this level under Ivic.

Personally I always thought his decision making was his main downfall, which for a 20 year old is normal. The only way that improves is with game time. I think we’ve ballsed up on this one.

 

I don’t advocate sending players out on loan who will make a difference but he did very little this season that would make me believe he would be the difference between play offs and going up

 

Jurado was decent in Spain

 

Whether Quina was up to the task is debatable. I agree he had chances and didn't really do enough to earn a starting berth.
Whether Gino has replaced him well with Dan Duck and Arantxa remains unproven.
Certainly risky but time will tell.

 

We've done a particularly bad job of developing young players, only JP is really a regular now, and that's probably only because of relegation. Not to be a know it all after the fact, but surely he should have been given more minutes last season, not as if Doucoure was a roaring success in that advanced role

 

To be fair, Quina was intensely frustrating, and we do have Zinckernagel as well as Cleverley now, but you'd have thought that there'd still be ample opportunity for him to show his class in this set-up with the games coming thick and fast

 

Wasn't the decision taken when Xisco thought the Chuckle Brothers 442 was the way to go? With that joke of a formation there is no room for Quina. There absolutely is room in the 433 as an option in the Zinc / Cleverley roles.

 

Hasn't played a minute of football for over a month now, is just an unused sub for Granada. In his last game five weeks back, he was subbed at half time so presumably the coach was pretty unimpressed

Think it's time to move him on, he's only got a year left on his contract and has never managed to hold down a place in a Premier League, Championship or La Liga team. He's skilful but like one of those kids at school that was great in playground but useless in an eleven a side game.

And turns out the club did know what they were doing by replacing him with Gosling!

 

Yep. Very amusing reading some of the March posts on this thread.

 

Agreed. All those that claimed he'd actually get minutes at a top half La Liga side look particularly silly.

 

Agreed. I guess Granada, like a few posters on here, made their decision based on a 5 mins highlights video, saw a few great goals, and concluded our management team were blind to his obvious ability. A few months working with him, seeing his in ability to retain or win the ball, changed that view. Not sure where he will end up.

 

Saw it all coming

 

But, considering Quina played six games in row, not half as silly as those that said he wouldn't.