N/A Craig Dawson

Discussion in 'The Team Bus' started by nornironhorn, Aug 28, 2020.

  1. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Yeah, the purported loan fee tips it into 'fair business' territory for me. Have to bear in mind too there wasn't exactly a procession of interested clubs.
     
  2. Rookery Refugee

    Rookery Refugee First Year Pro

    I've run multiple scenarios on Football Manager. and FIFA. Dawson was imperious on FIFA and I sold him for 14 million to 'Muff. Whereupon he promptly received a red card for simulation and tore his knee ligaments in the process, ending his career. This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am a genius and the owners are morons.
     
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  3. I Blame Bassett

    I Blame Bassett Squad Player

    Something akin to what he produced for us just now.
    Inexplicably left a cross that resulted in a corner and then scored an og.
     
  4. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Jammy Man U...
     
  5. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Reservist

    Not a Liverpool U23 player, fake news
     
  6. Leetanner

    Leetanner Academy Graduate

    Finally dawson showing his quality in his own penalty box well done lad
     
  7. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

  8. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Reservist

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  9. He was absolutely appalling for us. Dreadful defender. I believe he was also poor for WBA.

    Do wet spam use him in a different way?
     
  10. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    He was poor for us, but is it fair to judge on a season when he was left horribly exposed by a midfield duo of Capoue and Doucoure who simply didn't want to be here which subsequently showed more and more as the season went on. The Brighton game on the first day of the season we may as well have not picked a midfield.

    Now he has a permanent deal at West Ham it'll be interesting to see how he gets on.
     
  11. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Reservist

    Seemed to play well for WBA under Pulis when they'd just shove 10 men behind the ball, then phoned it in after they got relegated. Unfortunately we tried that tactic, and while it did stem the flow of goals against (apart from the infamous City game), it completely killed us going forward, so very quickly we needed more than just 10 men behind the ball, and it turned out he wasn't up to it at all...
     
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  12. Leetanner

    Leetanner Academy Graduate

    Honeymoon period for him at the moment the **** performances will come next season glad to get the money and run
     
  13. Great for WBA in the prem, great for WHU in the prem, **** for us in the prem.
    Some you win, some you lose. Good luck to him.
     
  14. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    I think the truth is more often than not somewhere in the middle. I don’t think any of our defenders are as bad as we made them look last season, but with such a blunt attack they all came under more pressure than they should’ve. He did also have games when he actually performed very well, but like the whole team he had games when he clearly didn’t give a ****. Unfortunately that’s normally more costly when it’s a defender.
     
  15. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

  16. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Typical West Ham though - there was one guy on Talk sport the other week calling for Moyes to be sacked!

    They definitely wouldn't be doing as well with fans in the ground.
     
  17. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

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  18. I Blame Bassett

    I Blame Bassett Squad Player

    I don't think he ever recovered from slipping and BHA scored their first goal as a result.
    Moyes is nothing if not organised so it's worked well for him.
    Who will we spend £60m on?!
     
  19. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    Any idea of the fee? Transfermarkt has put it at £2mil, which is surely too low?
     
  20. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    I think that was the fee agreed when we just wanted to get rid and he wanted to go.
     
  21. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    £2m has been the figure I've seen most talked about, plus a £1m loan fee for this season. No doubt about it, we got our fingers burned on this deal, as we have done many times in the past. We're just not very good at selling players on for a profit. Probably lost around £2.5m as we signed him from West Brom for £5.5m.
     
  22. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Reservist

    I think this is telling, for a start, Giraldi admitted we wanted Dawson to play football, which was always going to end badly, but also I suspect that Dawson is the kind of player who needs his hand held by a better defender. Also, even if we're going to give him the benefit of the doubt and not accuse him of playing up for a contract, was he ever going to keep up that kind of form?
     
  23. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    Do teams often expect to make a profit when signing 29 year old defenders? Genuine question
     
  24. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    That the club and fans at the time couldn't wait to get rid of for nothing.

    Let's be honest - would anyone have expected anyone to offer 5 million for Dawson?

    They play Leeds and won 2-0 but Leeds had 2 goals ruled out and missed 2/3 clear chances.

    Sometimes you can keep a clean sheet with luck rather than skill or great defending.

    Like you say he probably needs protection and support so once one defender goes out the whole thing falls down.
     
  25. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    That's irrelevant on this particular deal. We had him for such a short period of time, that it was more a transfer we just passed on. We sign him for £5.5m then just 12 months later we move him on for £3m. It's just bad business by us.
     
  26. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    So who would have paid 5 million for him when they probably kept hearing from our own fans how rubbish he was?

    Thin you need to be a bit realistic at times.

    Clubs won't make profits on players who haven't performed generally and are just moved out of the club to save money or because they don't want to be here.

    Even the top teams have to lose money on players on occasion.
     
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  27. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Reservist

    As I say, I don't think the Dawson deal was bad in and of itself, but he was never going to be the defensive saviour we hoped he would be seeing as he was the only defensive signing of any significance for about 3 years. Let's say we brought someone like Sierralta alongside him at the same time, it may just have worked
     
  28. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    Aye, you've said several times. Club buys player, player performs badly, club gets relegated, club needs money, player wants to leave, club sells at a loss. It is what it is. Will you get over it now?
     
  29. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    You asked a question and I answered it. Can you get over that?
     
  30. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    His signing was bad business for several reasons but the financial hit is only a symptom of that rather than the cause.
     
  31. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    I've asked you if teams often expect to make a profit on 29 year old defenders, and you haven't answered it. Instead, you again called it bad business, which you've already said several times.
     
  32. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    I did answer it. I said your question was irrelevant. If you don't like the answer that's fine, but it was answered.
     
  33. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    That's not an answer to the question, it's a comment on the question.
     
  34. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    Dawson was a functional signing, not a speculative one like Sarr or Richarlison. I don’t suppose we ever expected to make a profit on him, just do a job in defence for a few years.
     
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  35. Since63

    Since63 Reservist

    I’d suggest Moyes had an idea of how he’d fit in to the system he wanted to play. Not sure our recruitment team gave Javi or QSF a clue about him.
     
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