[SIGNED perm] Craig Dawson

Discussion in 'The Transfer List' started by oxhey67, Aug 8, 2018.

  1. Vicarage Road

    Vicarage Road Reservist

    Dawson is a good player and will prove to be a sound investment. He didn’t have a good debut yesterday but not one Watford player walked off that pitch having had a good game. I’ve said this before and I’ll repeat it, the problem lies more with our poor quality full backs at the club, not the central defenders
     
  2. The problem lies with the head coach.
     
  3. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    Holebas was at fault for two of the goals yesterday with the exact same circumstances leading to the goal.
     
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  4. Rookery Refugee

    Rookery Refugee First Year Pro

    You've said this several times. Now that you've gotten an acknowledgement (which seems clearly a crying need for you), please shut the **** up or make some sense. Your choice.
     
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  5. What a childish post
     
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  6. kVA

    kVA Reservist

    For just £2.5m more we could’ve had David Luiz.
     
  7. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    These are tough times. 5 defeats in a row can send men crazy.
     
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  8. BusheyOrn

    BusheyOrn Reservist

    Well yes, he was very poor yesterday and off the pace. He can only improve from here, well let's hope so
     
  9. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    Wague
     
  10. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss Squad Player

    Yeah but another 5 mill on hair products . You can Double that if he wants to straighten ,girlfriend .
     
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  11. kVA

    kVA Reservist

    No beef with that argument.
     
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  12. Rookery Refugee

    Rookery Refugee First Year Pro

    Luiz's wages would have been a problem, additionally, I think he prefers holding midfield, where we are already overstocked. Central Defenders are quite simply massively overpriced just now. I would have hoped we'd have done more to improve the fullbacks, but unfortunately not. All that said, I think that a little more aggressive marking in midfield will go a long way, as well as the introduction of Sarr on the wing - and the reintroduction or Pereyra on the left. Having bona fide attacking players to keep opposing fullbacks occupied helps to keep the midfield from getting pulled out of shape. I think we'll see a significant improvement this week for three reasons - 1) we'll have more players in positions where they are comfortable and threatening and 2) improved effort - there's nothing like a little embarrassment to stimulate your attitude, and; 3) Everton. No one wants Richarlison scoring or Silva gloating. They will publicly say it doesn't matter to them - but it does.
     
  13. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    He's spent at least the last two seasons for both Chelsea and Brazil exclusively at CB.

    Bjorn Engels to Villa for £7mil looks as if it could be a good buy.
     
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  14. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    People saying centre backs are "over priced", what exactly do we do then? Clearly the answer has been to refuse to sign anyone or only sign youngsters that never play or bargain bin signings who make zero difference. The result is that we are probably in a worse position at the back now then when we first came up.

    The market is what it is for everyone not just us and it almost shouldn't be relevant at all to say "centre back are over priced though" - at some point the club is going to have to cough up and improve the defence before we lose out far more financially by being relegated than we would by investing some real money on improving the defence.

    We have the worst defence in the league, I truly believe that, and it's going to bite us in the arse sooner or later if the recruitment carries on how it has.
     
  15. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Might as well played Mariappa - bad passing, caught out for pace and positioning sense.

    Even the heading chance Dawson had was rubbish and timid!
     
  16. Rookery Refugee

    Rookery Refugee First Year Pro

    I think that Plan A was to try for young, quality centre backs at really big clubs. Clearly we failed in this. Plan B seems to be get some in that have EPL experience. You would hope that behind Plan B there was a gaggle of 19-20 year old up-and-coming lads. Beyond Wilmot, I'm not sure that's the case. Perhaps we'll buy a raft of them from South America over the next couple of weeks and stash them in Europe to mature.
     
  17. simpleMASH

    simpleMASH Reservist

    We don’t need a raft, just put Wilmot in. From what I’ve seen he’s already our best defender.
     
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  18. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    How are people writing off a player after one game?! It's beggars belief.
     
  19. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    Writing a player off a player after one game is obviously a kneejerk reaction from whoever is saying that.

    However, I think there is a general disappointment to discover he's not a major upgrade on what we already had.

    For me, he's a useful addition and is a force from corners or freekicks in the opponents penalty area. We're never a threat at corners as we've got no one who can head the ball. Dawson is good at attacking the ball in the air. But he's no better (or worse) than the central defenders we already have with regards to his defensive ability.
     
  20. kVA

    kVA Reservist

    We’re taking pre season into account too you know!
     
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  21. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Top Marx for Engels?
     
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  22. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    Completely agree.

    But sadly, given the state of the rest of our defenders, the first thing we should be looking at when recruiting defenders is - how good are they at defending? Dawson is definitely not worse. And has attributes to his game that make him marginally better than what we have - his heading as you’ve mentioned.

    But there is absolutely nothing in his career to date that shows that he alone was going to be enough to raise the defensive standards at the club.

    Of course we can’t be guaranteed that the players would sign etc etc - but we missed out on Kabak who is better than what we have. We weren’t sniffing around Webster who is highly regarded.

    Last year Leicester brought in Benkovic from Dinamo and S*y*nc* from Freiburg for modest fees - both are better than what we have.

    Whilst I agree the fee’s for CB’s have increased, they haven’t increased beyond out spending power. If there was £14m available for Danny Rose at the last minute, it shows we had funds to spend...
     
  23. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    The issue the Pozzo's had it seems is that they put all their eggs in one basket over the loan signing of Todibo.
     
  24. Harrow Orn

    Harrow Orn Squad Player

    Yep. The outrage and meltdown on here has been staggering.

    We beat Everton they'll all be lauding Dawson after he scores the winner.

    Fickle fickle fickle.
     
  25. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    And if we lose 4-0 and he plays like Krusty the Clown again?
     
  26. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    But he'll score the winner in the following match after that......don't you know anything?
     
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  27. Harrow Orn

    Harrow Orn Squad Player

    If his performances do not improve after 10 games, I will then say he's not good enough. 2 **** games doesn't make a **** player. Give him a chance.
     
  28. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    He was similarly unconvincing in his preseason appearances as well.
     
  29. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    and was **** for west brom for a season
     
  30. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    And was in the West Brom side that got relegated the season before that.
     
  31. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    Together with Ben Foster.

    What could possibly go wrong?!
     
  32. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    But apart from all that, exciting signing!
     
  33. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss Squad Player

    I’ll try this one last time ...

    ....” It looks like we re up Dawson’s Creek without a paddle “
     
  34. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

  35. BusheyOrn

    BusheyOrn Reservist

    I think we are playing the long game here, buying players that can do a job whilst the youngsters mature. Ben Wilmot should be first (but first he has to get in the Swansea team) and then we bought about 4 wet behind the ears CB's this summer (and no, I can't remember their names) so they should progress and be challenging for game time in two seasons.

    In the meantime Dawson and Gracia cannot afford much more poor performances from him or he will have to be dropped. It may take a few games for him to get up to speed but I would have subbed him on Saturday but then again I would have matched up the midfield numbers etc.
     

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