Covid-19 Virus

Ok, I hadn’t paid attention to the distinction. We really need the antibody testing to know the real extent.

 

This discussion in the US is particularly inciteful. The Mayor leaves his mic on during his bathroom break....

 

That is good. An oldie from years back so not coronavirus causing Covid19, but a goodie.

 

Both wrong (at least I was, don't know if there is a Louis Prima version) the famous version is Benny Goodman.

 

The club have offered the use of Vicarage Road to the hospital for training meetings etc.

 

Prince Charles confirmed as having Covid-19.

 

How much poo did you have to produce to get that result?

 

Good to see with his minor symptoms he's jumped straight to the top of the testing queue.

 

I have heard that the NHS have unfortunately declined due to the fear that CV19 patients may take 2 years to recover based on the site's jinxed historical track record of recovery.

 

Also, incredibly irresponsible to be carrying on with public engagements when the threat was known.

Still, I'm sure he'll be relying on homeopathy to treat it, just as he's advised people in the past to, rather than relying conventional medicine.

 

Good to see you are on form.

 

And if he does pop his clogs, he'll be able to fulfil his wish to come back as Camilla's tampon. Not that she probably uses them much now.

 

https://twitter.com/jimmfelton/status/1242769129582612481?s=21

“If Prince Andrew could sweat I bet he’d be sweating right now”

 

That reminds me of something, they interviewed a Doctor on the news earlier in the week. She had first hand experience and reports from other Doctors of people lying and pretending they had symptoms of corona virus to get appointments. It would then turn out they had something relatively minor (or nothing) not in the slightest bit related.

 

That doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

I've also got a pretty strong feeling at least half the people filming themselves ailing on social media because they suspect they have it are just the normal attention seekers. Plus the papers seem to have a regular stream of diary type articles, where someone says they suspect they had it and talks about their symptoms. Usually accompanied by a sadface photo of them in bed and a dramatic entry describing how they woke up halfway through it in the middle of the night struggling to breathe and thought they were going to die. Then magically 36 hours later they're better without ever having seen a doctor or gone to hospital. Warnings to #StayInsideSaveLives from chumps like that have to be counterproductive.

 

The media are reporting that the youngest victim of Covid-19 in the U.K. is Chloe Middleton, a 21 year old girl from High Wycombe, who died on 21st March. She had NO underlying health conditions. Perhaps a small number of posters on this forum, who have been suggesting that the coronavirus is only a problem for the oldies and people with pre-existing health conditions, may need to rethink their views. There is no reason to suspect that this report might be fake news because there is so much specific detail which can be easily checked.

 

Tragic for the girl and family but I don’t understand why media/hospital/government aren’t announcing this important occurrence rather than it being announced on Facebook? Why isn’t there a single quote from a medical person?

Surely this would act as a deterrent for people who seem happy to still gather in public?

 

Wasn't it reported a few days back that the youngest was 18 with underlying complications? Anyway, no doubt this is worrying but the trend seems to be people with underlying medical conditions, we don't know whether this person had an undetected underlying condition. If people start dying at a fast rate, I doubt all would go through a post-mortem.

 

Statistically there are always going to be a handful of such cases. But it's over 99% of deaths with pre-existing health conditions in Italy. My uneducated suspicion would be even the ones without anything immediately identifiable either had a condition without knowing it (eg. heart defect) or had contributory lifestyle factors (eg. heavy smoker / vaper).

 

I did think/hope the other morning whilst looking at the smoking area outside my work, that hopefully when this is over, there is another big drop in the amount of people who smoke or vape.

 

Some potentially outstanding news:

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/25/n...-developed-to-treat-it-could-be-long-lasting/

Given the rapid rate of spread, that's a big, big win if it holds true.

 

Interesting comment here too from one of the experts responsible for the Imperial College research which changed the government's approach:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52035615

 

I think you have to be very careful with that sort of generalisation. For a start it comes over a bit harsh. You imply those who die are others, whose lifestyle or inherent weaknesses separate them from the rest of us.

But it’s also dismissive of risks we don’t really understand. For some reason those younger people badly affected have an intense immune reaction to the disease. That isn’t always predictable day to day for individuals, in the same way the effects of equally lethal sepsis or meningitis aren’t.

Are you are still trying to make the point of overreaction?

 

Well it is a private matter for the family first and foremost so you can understand the more sensitive comms people not simply seizing upon it for their own ends. The family now appear ready to talk.

The Government and the NHS need to understand any case before they decide to make a public issue of it. It could provide a strong message, but will also scare the living daylights out of an already edgy population.

 

The Netherlands have a population a fifth of ours and they just reported 80 deaths for yesterday.

 

I don't think harsh is quite the right word. I'm not always known for brevity on here but the nature of a forum means sometimes it's easier to write things as they come. I wouldn't express it exactly like that if we spoke in person.

I don't really get your implication point though. People are different from one another in loads of ways and that includes their reaction to a specific disease. There are loads of reasons for that and I don't think those dying from this are lesser than me or anyone else. Hell, as you next point suggests, I could have a genetic disposition to this thing that means if I get it I'll be kaput too. That doesn't mean it's wrong to point it out.

And I'm not making any point about it being any overreaction, I was just replying to @hornetfan. I don't think anyone on here suggested it didn't affect any young people at all. But the evidence is already very clear such cases are in a minuscule minority and has been throughout.

 

It’s the exception rather than the rule though. It’s a brand new virus which none of our immune systems have yet encountered. This will be a contributing factor as to why it’s symptomless in most but deadly in others. Even though it’s a new virus most fit young healthy people’s immune systems will deal with it with minimal fuss, but sadly there will always be exceptions to that.

 

You monster! What about the Scientologists who, after 'going clear', become immune to all forms of disease*.

 

That was always the problem with the Imperial college report. There would naturally be a large amount of overlap between the various estimates of deaths for their different scenarios, and those that would’ve died anyway. About 1500 people die in the U.K. every day, a lot of those would’ve been susceptible to any number of things that could’ve caused it.

 

There's a lot of anecdotes about people suffering from C-word like symptoms in Dec-Feb but, unfortunately, there's been no evidence by significant rise in Feb's death stats. As I've mentioned I have a strong feeling that my son and I had "it" towards the end of Feb (we did two weeks self-isolation and to avoid any panic at my son's school I denied that we had the C-word) but I'm still following all the isolation and hand-washing advice.

 

Given how it is killing off people with underlying conditions quite easily following a bout of pneumonia, I think that had the virus been around earlier we would have known about it earlier.

 

There seems to be evidence from Singapore, South Korea and China that the thing can be kept in check well below those Imperial estimates. It’s whether the NHS can absorb the increase over an above those usual figures. We are about to find out.