Covid-19 Virus

Discussion in 'Taylor's Tittle-Tattle - General Banter' started by Hornet4ever, Jan 30, 2020.

  1. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Fine. Sack them all if proven, but it doesn’t change the position with Cummings because of his position in creating the strategy.
     
  2. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    The issue is no so much with Cummings, or anyone else as an individual, but rather that the Government, in scrambling to excuse him, have completely undermined their own policy in combatting the virus. This sends out completely the wrong, and confusing, message to the public.
    Not only that, it also indicates that the PM is so dependent on this one adviser that he will do anything to keep him, which is more than concerning for his handling of any other issues while in office.
     
  3. Then the law is an ass
     
  4. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    Cummings should be sacked. End of. He is a rule maker and arguably the 2nd most powerful man in the government. He is part of the team that sets the rules and comes up with the slogans. When you are in government and your are not abiding by your own parties rules, on something as important as this, it really is unforgivable. That doesn’t make it ok for Stephen Kinnock or anyone else to break the rules, but that shouldn’t deflect from the central point. And for BJ to defend it really makes him look incredibly weak.
     
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  5. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Is that not somewhat missing the wood for the trees?

    The paparazzi outside his house are not responsible for setting government policy and were not involved in creating the very rules that were broken. That’s the key issue here, not what the paparazzi are doing outside his house. The fact that he came out the other day and told them all off for not being 2m apart makes an even bigger mockery of him and Boris.
     
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  6. He is not a rule maker.

    He's not an MP, he doesn't sit in parliament, he doesn't get to vote. He's an advisor, one of the untold number of advisors and pressure groups who infest politics like flies around a bucket of ****.

    He should be dealt with according to the civil service disciplinary procedure, which is the right anyone in employment has. That doesn't mean a TV lynching.
     
  7. So you excuse 30+ people breaking guidelines on order to prosecute 1 person breaking guidelines. Who's missing the wood for the trees?
     
  8. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Quite frankly it’s bizarre you look at the story and pick up on what the reporters are doing.
     
  9. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    He is one of the most influential members of BJs government, his right hand man. He absolutely very high profile and has completely undermined the government’s guidelines on the lockdown. He has been in the public eye more than most of his cabinet. People will rightly look at someone who is so high profile and say why should I stick to the rules? It’s laughable that people are defending him. They need to put aside their own political biases to one side and look at this objectively.
     
  10. lm_wfc

    lm_wfc First Team

    That's not really true. Probably more suited to the politics forum, but it is obvious Cummings is not a normal advisor. He was a big driver of the leave campaign, has caused the resignation of the chancellor for refusal to install the staff Cummings wanted, and was attending the sage meetings.


    No civil servant should be dictating who the chancellor employs. Cummings is an unelected beurocrat.
     
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  11. Of course advisers are influential, the clue is in the name. Just look at the gun lobby in the US if you want to see just how powerful and influential people and organisations in this space can be.

    But he's not a rule maker. You said he was, he's not.

    I'm not defending him, I said above he should be treated according to the civil service disciplinary policy. That's a hard won right that every employee has. It's incredibly sad how undemocratic this country is becoming that people like you want to throw rights won by the sacrifice of working class men and women over 100 years in the bin.
     
  12. Look what brexit has done to 'socialist' LTC68. Defending a millionaire tool of Robert Mercer and the lynchpin of the worst Tory government in history.
     
  13. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    Oh please, what drivel. If I worked for a company that specifically said we have some really important guidelines - do not do X,Y and Z - and I did it, I would be sacked. No ifs or buts. Cummings is very senior in that government and has ignored guidelines that are so important, a billion times more important than anything I could be sacked for. His actions undermine the government and the guidelines that they are providing. It is highly likely that some life’s will be lost as a result of his actions. When you get pro-Tory papers like the Mail calling him out along with several Tory MPs then you know his actions are not defensible. BJs defence of him claiming that what he did was ok - even commendable - was taking the mickey out of the Public. The government needs to be credible at the moment and can’t afford to lose the dressing room as it will put at risk the recovery from Covid. Cummings actions have undermined the government and sent out a horrendous message.
     
  14. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    What he is or isn’t doesn’t really matter. In the eyes of joe public he is a government official. He broke lockdown rules while he and his wife were infected to drive 270 miles to his parents, who are in their seventies.

    That in itself is significantly worse what what the journalists did by not being 2m apart, let alone the the main issue which is the example set to the entire country.

    Then the coup de grace, Boris telling us what he did was absolutely fine, he didn’t do anything wrong, acted on ‘instinct’ and did what any father would do. Essentially telling everyone who missed a funeral or haven’t seen their parents or grandparents throughout this that they’re idiots and don’t love their family as much as DC.
     
  15. Professor on Sage committee:
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  16. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Ah Lord Ditherer of Durham.

    Leaders throughout the ages have had their right hand men. From the vastly capable like the ill fated Narcissus the mind behind Claudius to the complete opposite such as Mandelson of the recent past. That such people have the influence they do should be a cause for concern itself given that they were unelected and often have their own agenda.

    Loyalty is one thing but blind loyalty is another. Those leaders with sense or perhaps having read Machiavelli would do well to ditch their close friends if needed. Loyalty should not be to them but to the community and by extension the communities that comprise the nation indeed the world. This buffoon and incompetent without an iota of scientific knowledge promoted the idiocy that got us here in the first place. If Johnson had any decency given the experience he has been through. the message that the government is trying to promote then he should have the rectitude to dismiss him. But as I have said before he is a jellyfish lacking any backbone.

    And if individuals think that because one idiot does something wrong then they should copy that behaviour then more fool them for being even more stupid. Unfortunately we already have a large section of the population acting as if the crisis is over and there is no need at all for any caution. We really do not need any more. Unfortunately with the so called great British public (anything but given the scenes over the weekend across the country) you know they will take these actions from this electoral quack doctor as the green light to do whatever they like. And by supporting his chum or master Boris has undermined any case he has to instruct them not to do so. Integrity is so sorely lacking in the political sphere on all sides (this is an issue regarding common sense and its lack being displayed by members on all benches) that all this does is disillusion the electorate further to see such rank incompetence.

    When the histories are written this administration will not come out of it smelling of roses. And nor should they.
     
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  17. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    It is. It’s slow, but it gets there.
     
  18. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Of course I agree entirely with the bolded part, but Cummings himself knows all to well from his big red Brexit bus that the most effective messages are short, punchy, and clear. For them to work effectively there can be no grey areas, room for interpretation or sub clauses and caveats.

    By defending his actions and saying he acted on ‘instinct’ it opens up a world of interpretation. You’d be stupid to do something to put your family at risk because DC did, but on an individual level you may find it ‘instinctive’ to visit a friends house for a bbq on a blazing hot bank holiday.
     
  19. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Buzzin' for Dom's face the public stunt on TV later. Should be a proper treat. He's bound to make things MUCH better with this very wise step of explaining everything to us so we can understand.

    And don't forget. As they said at the panic meetings of press handlers: "the kid is the trump card". Keep playing that line. It was all selfless sacrifice travel just to help the little kiddies.

    Admins - will there be a shoutbox?
     
  20. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Yes Please!
     
  21. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    I have had to switch off the Cummings press conference. I’m embarrassed for him to be honest. I am sure he isn’t a bad person at all, but he just doesn’t get it. If he thought that there was any justification for driving 270 miles you would have checked with someone senior in the government first, when it was such an obvious breach. His argument falls apart at that point.
     
  22. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

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  23. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player


    Plain common sense. If you're worried about whether you're fit to drive, simply jump behind the wheel and take a 60 mile round trip to see whether you crash or not.
     
  24. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

  25. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    Ended up watching the press conference to the end. I am not sure why. The way the press behave at times is bullying to be honest. I don’t think public opinion is on his side, but if the press invasion continues he may win some sympathy back. I think Cummings would have been better of apologising and saying with hindsight he would have done things differently
     
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  26. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Well it was a press conference?
     
  27. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    I doubt that the overwhelming majority of the public could give a stuff about Cummings' trip to the north or if he did or didn't stop for a slash on the A1. I'm amazed the Tories have bothered to respond at all to the 'concerns' of a few beardy Bishops, Piers Morgan and the usual hysterical social media mob. Get the pubs open Boris and this will immediately be forgotten
     
  28. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    Annoyed the journalists didn't point out that the one hour round trip blindness test drive, including sitting by a river, also happened to be his wife's birthday.
     
  29. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Don't you think it is possible that his wife can drive? Therefore had there been a problem she could have driven them back the appox 30 miles or taken the wheel at any time :rolleyes:
     
  30. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    A random test drive that just happened to finish at a local beauty spot? On his wife's birthday? Ok :rolleyes:
     
  31. Aberystwyth_Hornet

    Aberystwyth_Hornet Squad Player

    Why couldn't she drive them back to London then?
     
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  32. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Wasn’t she still apparently sick like the son? So they should’ve been staying put. Yet he felt well enough to return to work, but at the same time he wasn’t sure if he was well enough to drive home so he could back go to work.
     
  33. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    They were, if the dates are to be believed, beyond the 14 day isolation period so were allowed to leave the Durham property from the 12th April.

    As our own @The undeniable truth can verify, people can feel ill beyond the 14 days but are, supposedly, not infectious.
     
  34. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Apparently BBC 1 was due to show Paddington 2 this afternoon. It had to be binned because of Cummings’ long press conference and then the PM’s late show. The schedulers had half an hour left this evening before Eastenders so filled it with... ‘Would I Lie To You?‘
     
  35. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Maybe she could have, but if they are anything like me and my wife we share the driving on a long journey.
     

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