Conspiracy Theories: The Assassination of JFK

Really interesting read Clive. I was not around at the time, but it seems unfathomable to me that there were those who desired a nuclear war? That surely was only ever going to end in one way.

 

Yes unlikely.. but then so is the accidental gunfire hitting the president clean in the head just after being shot by Oswald theory.


For the shots from the grassy knoll idea to hold any water then yeah you would have to really think of some kind of police and/or secret service collaboration. Thats why i favour the mafia theories above any other, given that was their modus operandi. That car park belonged to the police department and what would it take to bribe a few police officers to help pull it off? Maybe find some officers who too wanted to see the back of the president. They could even of got them to pull up a couple of squad cars for cover.. also giving them a means of escape.. gunmen and weapons in the boot?

Yes there were SS guys looking all round.. but it is so dark up by the picket fence you could well look up there and not spot the barrell of a rifle. They could spot a gunflash though of course.. but maybe not in all the confusion of the earlier shots?

The "hobbos" i spoke of where picked up from a boxcar in the railroad yards right behind the grassy knoll. Perhaps no one saw them leaving the scene because they didnt leave the scene? or at least didnt go far. It was alleged that there were several other boxcars in the area that inexplicably went unsearched. Plenty of place to hide weapons? or other gunmen.

Read more here.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_tramps



All this talk of more gunmen brings me to my other point. The bullets.
I guess even in those days they could match a bullet to an individual weapon.. even if the same type of weapons were used. So you have to conclude that either all the bullets were so damaged as not to be identifiable (unlikely) or that again some kind of cover up was afoot.. or that it was indeed just Oswald.
This would also be the case for the accidental shot.. unless the 'cover up' was simply the police covering their own backs?

 

JFK is living on Pluto with Elvis and Lord Lucan.

 

I'm waiting patiently for someone on this thread to start referring to the Warren Commission and the Magic Bullet .............

 

I'm pretty sure the magic bullet theory has been definitively disproved as recent bullet tracking shows it was actually completely possible for the shot from Oswalds gun to pass through both men.

 

Stevo what evidence is there to suggest that the shot that kills him comes from the grassy knoll? If you look at the way his head moves, it seems to suggest that the bullet comes from behind.

 

Evidence? There is no evidence.. but then there wasnt much evidence of Oswald delivering the shot either.

The way his head moves?
"Back and to the left.. back and to the left.. back and to the left.."

 

I've been to Dallas and visited the 6th floor of the depository building which is now a Museum/ Visitors centre dedicated to the history/theories of what happened on that day.

You can actually look out of the window that was alledgedly used by Lee Harvey Oswald to shoot JFK from, there are also all sorts of photgraphs and exibits to see. Furthermore they show actual newsreels and documentry footage of what happened on that day, they also show some of the conspiracy theories, which they do not discount or confirm.

It's a very interesting place, and well worth a visit if ever you go to Dallas.

 

Back and to the left doesn't work though on a scientific basis surely? What kind of round does that kind of damage to a head on contact? A shotgun blast maybe. A rifle? No way. With a rifle wound you get small entry points and potentially large exit wounds.

 

Now my turn for a video Steve, watch from about 36 mins for what I think happened, although the whole thing is worth a watch.

 

A Hollow tipped or exploding round? A glancing shot that went through the side of the head slicing it open? Two bullets hitting the same area around the same time?

Maybe the fatal shot was from behind but it wasnt Oswald, it was someone else in the same or another building? Perhaps the throat shot came from the grassy knoll? Especially as it appeared to have a small entry wound at the front?
I think overall the differing wounds suggest different weapons. Though yes it could have been an accidental shot from an SS guy in the following car.. but if so.. why didnt the other SS guys travelling in the same car say for sure that's what happened, as surely they would have noticed?



PS Not sure i buy that Penn & Teller 'water melon' idea.. because A. Shooting from a few feet away on level ground. and B. It was a water melon. Hardly scientific.

 

Blimey, even the Nazi's are in on it as well!

 

Ha! I was thinking that as i wrote it.

Now that would be a conspiracy!

 

Love a good CPT
Not looked much into Jfk he did pop up on a recent documentary I watched called Unacknowledged. Well worth a view if your into UFOS.

But 9/11 and Sandy Hook shootings will leave you scratching your heads.

 

Conspiracy theories are always interesting stuff. People obviously put a lot of thought into them, even if you don't buy them completely.

Always remember, if there's something that doesn't make sense, a wizard did it.

 

Judging by your username you clearly are ITK so top insight, kudos for the attempted blag.

I listened to this Dan Carlin Hardcore History podcast (pretty geeky I know) recently and the tension of the missile crisis and what was at stake was immense. I'm not sure if Krushev was the sensible one as I think he gambled on Kennedy being a weak young man who would back down. What a gamble to take.

It seems to have come incredibly close and the thought of people having to take decisions on which the fate of the world rested when they had been working 20 hour consecutive days is amazing. There were loads of little flash points that could have escalated. The other bizarre thing was they couldnt communicate directly and messages could take 20 hours. They installed the hotline after. You probably know all this.

But yes the US establishment military were miffed off with JFK for not pursuing a harder invasion line which could only have led to nuclear war. One of them even likened him to Neville Chamberlain. It's pretty amazing Kennedy stood up to them.

So I guess the military were another group with a grudge to bear.

 

20,000 new documents related to JFK assassination declassified for some reason by Trump.

I am most interested in the Cuba aspects. So far confirmed:-

1. Bio/Germ Warfare on Crops and Livestock - Long claimed, but always denied by the USA. But now we find:-

"Members of the council also debated targeting the island nation’s crops by “introducing biological agents which would appear to be of natural origins” – an idea supported by then-National Security Advisor McGeorge Bundy. “Mr. Bundy said that he had no worries about any such sabotage which could clearly be made to appear as the result of local Cuban disaffection or of a natural disaster, but that we must avoid external activities such as release of chemicals, etc., unless they could be completely covered up"

https://www.rt.com/usa/407966-jfk-nsc-cuba-notes/

2. CIA considered offering financial rewards to Cubans who murdered Cuban government officials. Imagine for a moment if this were reversed and Cuba offered a bounty to anyone who murdered Trump or his associates. What would the consequences be?#

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article181288881.html#navlink=SecList

3. Confirmed - CIA worked with the mafia very closely. No surprise really. We all know what the mafia lost in Havana in 1959

https://chicago.suntimes.com/chicag...a-plan-to-pay-chicago-mobster-to-kill-castro/

4. Most shocking for me, the Yankees planned to plant bombs in Miami and/or Washington and blame Cuba. Alternatively they wanted to sink a boatfull of Cuban refugees and blame that on Cuba. Just plain murder of their own citizens in order to invent a reason to attack. Anyone else find that disturbing at all?

“We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area,” the report read. “The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven within the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans en route to Florida (real or simulated).”

The report also suggested committing attacks on refugees already within the country, as well as “exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots” to make it look as though the Cuban government was attacking people trying to flee to Florida.

The report also said the staged attacks could coincide with “the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement” to help turn the tide of global opinion against the communist nation.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/sh...an-refugees-then-blame-castro-to-start-a-war/

 

So, at the height of the cold war, when considering what to do about a communist nation just a stones throw across the water away, from where nuclear missiles were going to be sited and pointing at the US, they considered various options on how to deal with the threat.

Did they carry out any of those options that you mention, or did they decide they would be wrong?

 

I think if you do enough digging you will find evidence that 'false flag' operations have been discussed at many different points of history. As far as I'm aware no nation has as of yet attacked its own citizens in this way.

I think it would be na*ve to suggest that these things aren't discussed at the highest level.

 

Yes it is interesting. A couple of things worth noting. The car actually stopped right opposite Book Depository before making the left turn towards underpas. This would have been a really easy shot. Instead he waits until the car is halfway down street almost opposite grassy knoll - a much more difficult shot. The only reason for that I could see was to get the car into a "killing ground" where shots could also be fired from grassy knoll.

Did you go behind the picket fence at top of grassy knoll. If you did you would have seen a manhole cover which even now is relatively easily removable. This gives access to rungs leading dwn to a storm sewer which varies in diameter up to over 5' and emerges over 1/3rd of a mile away. I have photos of that being accessed and a test subject emerging.

 

Kennedy had powerful enemies .... it doesn't take much thinking about that it was a political slaying, I'm just surprised they could keep a lid on it for so long.

There is no deed low enough that the CIA wouldn't stoop to in the name of "National Security" ... they eat babies for breakfast

 

Pretty much, yes. They have done them. Although the level of proof I have is probably insufficient to satisfy you.

1. Biological and germ warfare attacks - Yes they did it. Right from 1962 the CIA allegedly contaminated a sugar shipment, then in the same year, a Canadian agricultural technician assisting the Cuban government claimed he was paid $5,000 to infect Cuban turkeys with the deadly Newcastle disease. Two separate outbreaks of African Swine Fever in the 1970s which meant every pig on the island had to be slaughtered twice over. (strongly suggested that this process was not related to normal evolution of infectious/transmissible diseases, especially because this very serious entity had not occurred before in this hemisphere) Then an outbreak of haemmoragic dengue fever which infected 300,000 and killed 158 (including 101 children). Then in 1996 a Thrips Palmi infestation in Matanzas province after a US plane passing over was seen dispensing a 'cloud' of unknown substance into the air.

2. Murdering Cuban Govt Officials - Yes they did it. They tried more than 600 times to kill Fidel himself of course and they were successful, unfortunately, in murdering Che Guevara.

3. US Government Working with Mafia for Assassinations - Yes they did it. On this one there is more than adequate proof of long and detailed connections between the US government and the mob. Connections originally from WW2 and the US invasion of Italy where they had the idea of getting Italian mobsters in the US to help with local knowledge and contacts. Both the mob and the US lost out heavily on the revolution and they worked together to carry out murders and acts of sabotage afterwards to try to bring down the revolution.

4. Murdering Their Own US Citizens To Blame Cuba - They probably did it. Going right back to the mysterious explosion of the US ship The Maine in Havana harbour in 1898, which allowed the yellow press to advance the slogan "Remember the Maine - To Hell With Spain!" and launch the Spanish American War which won them Cuba, Guam, Puerto Rico and the Philippines as colonies. The explosion was caused by 5 tonnes of powder charges detonating. 260 US sailors were killed in the explosion. It seems very likely, given the evidence, that the US blew its own ship up, murdering its own soldiers, in order to give the pretext it wanted to attack Spain. There is a memorial to the dead in Havana, erected by the Cuban government, which pays tribute to the "victims sacrificed to the imperialist greed in its fervour to seize control of Cuba".

 

Most of it I could live with but that was the major factor for me leaving

 

Giancana and the Chicago mob had their phones tapped from 1959. There was plenty of discussion between them about the JFK assassination afterwards, but no hint that they knew anything about it.

Here we are more than half a century after the event - don't you think that in that time, somebody would have blabbed if there had been a conspiracy involving more than about two people?

Clive is right in that the US has behaved disgracefully towards Cuba, but while I haven't examined the evidence I find it hard to believe that they killed 260 of their own sailors to kick off the Spanish American war. Always look to ****-up before conspiracy - it's much more likely, if less exciting.

 

You may be right, but that's not the only reason. He might have been distracted, or not quite ready (a sneeze or whatever), or may have momentarily lost his nerve.

 

There have been plenty of enquiries and investigations over the years, even right up to the present day on 'unexplained mysteries' type programs. Everyone agrees the forward ammunition stores blew up, but nobody can agree why. Certainly the original blame - a Spanish mine - looks more or less ruled out. A boiler fire that went out of control was put forward as another theory. I suppose the full truth will never be known.

The famous US newspaper owner William Randolph Hearst had a journalist based in Cuba at the time and when he wanted to come back because there was nothing happening, he famously told him "You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war" just before the Maine exploded. The fact the ship blew up was certainly very convenient for the USA and gave them just the pretext they were looking for to declare war on Spain, whose forces they were able to crush in a few weeks, with huge gains in territory and treasure.

http://www.iancfriedman.com/?p=29

 

Isn't the Hearst story better understood as an unscrupulous proprietor manufacturing a crisis or scandal from a simple ****-up?

See also the Express's stories about the assassination of ex-Princess Di and many others

 

Just watched Conspiracy Theory on Netflix. Happy to confirm the heck did we land on the moon.

 

The Clangers are the only life form ever to step foot on the moon.

 

He's suspiciously missing from the photo though.. and he wears what looks like a QPR kit. Not to be trusted.

 

Given the crew of Apollo 11 placed a mirror on the moon which reflects a laser beamed from earth back to enable us to determine orbital distance I'd say that any conspiracy theory about never landing on the moon is bunkum.

https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/21jul_llr

I do however firmly believe that Elvis is alive as I saw him singing in a Chinese restaurant about 5 years ago.


Bunkum is now my word of the day.

 

Nah.. the Clangers did that.
Watch this from 1 minute onwards..




NB somewhat disturbingly i remembered this episode from my childhood.. which incidentally wasnt long at all after man first went to the moon.