Ched Evans

Discussion in 'General Football & Other Sport' started by Rostrons Red Card, Aug 13, 2014.

  1. MarlonsCellMate

    MarlonsCellMate Reservist

    At least he has a trade to fall back on if Sheffield don't take him back.
     
  2. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    First time I've clicked dislike, the man is a convicted rapist TRUE and he has served his time, whether you agree or not with the judgement or sentence he has served his penalty. Let the man now crack on with his life earning a living, his trade is playing football so let him play football and pay his taxes, end of.

    I guess Sheffield United are not going to send him out to open garden fetes and what not and anyone with marketing sense will not be promoting him in anyway in any club activites or literature, and I would hazard a guess that he is on the sex-offenders register and so is limited to what he can do in the community on behalf of Sheffield United.
     
  3. Rostrons Red Card

    Rostrons Red Card Reservist

    He hasn't served his time he is out on licence.
    He has shown no remorse for raping the victim.
    His family are bullying anyone who dares speak out against him.
    Professional football is a very privileged occupation. Being a rapist should preclude you from these privileges.

    If he does end up playing somewhere, he will get more virulent abuse than anyone in the history of football in England and rightly so.
     
  4. Orny Arry

    Orny Arry Guest

    You can't use the law against him one minute then not so the next. The rehabilitation of offenders act stipulates the responsibilities of the employer quite clearly. He can go back into football because that's what the law says.
     
  5. Orny Arry

    Orny Arry Guest

    So you think that irrespective of his prison sentence that he should be punished perpetually by being not allowed to return to work, despite the fact it's totally unrelated to his conviction? At least by being in the public eye he can be monitored still, assuming there is a risk the man still apparently poses.
     
  6. Orny Arry

    Orny Arry Guest

    The difference with rape being that the majority of cases are based on one word against another. No witnesses, no CCTV, no voice recording etc. That alone reduces the likelihood that one is guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
     
  7. Rostrons Red Card

    Rostrons Red Card Reservist

    Rape is a particularly heinous crime whatever the circumstances and there should be no future in football for him. His presence on a pitch would be demoralising and sully the game we love.

    You could also argue that the rape was related to his profession.
     
  8. Rostrons Red Card

    Rostrons Red Card Reservist


    Yet he was still found guilty unanimously with the judge rejecting his right to an appeal. The hotel receptionist was a witness and provided his opinion on her physical state. This must have had some bearing on the jury deciding the victim did not give Evans consent.

    Also a friend of Evans attempted to provide " live footage". Pond life.
     
  9. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    If this was Saudi Arabia, Ched Evans would be scot free and the "victim" would be stoned to death for being a slapper.

    As a multicultural society, who are we to say which approach is ultimately correct?
     
  10. Shakespearo

    Shakespearo Reservist

    The jury did find him guilty. As they were in court and heard the evidence from both sides their decision should be respected.

    The problem lies in the differing verdicts between Evans and MacDonald, which on the face of it are confusing. For those of us who are curious about the different verdicts the only way to find out more, realistically is via the Internet. And the only detailed information on the internet comes from Ched Evans campaign site, which also on the face of it, indicates that the matter is quite fishy and not cut and dried.
     
  11. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    It will be interesting to see what extra evidence his defence team can come up with. Apparently the Criminal Cases Review Commission have decided to fast track his case but for evidential reasons and definitely not because there's loads of money behind Evans and it can only help raise the profile of the CCRC.
     
  12. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    Being a footballer isn't a 'privileged occupation'. It's just a job like any other. The facts that it's well remunerated and in the public eye are irrelevant. Sure he'll get some abuse. He'll just have to deal with it. Connecting with one on the volley which screams into the top corner would help.
     
  13. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    Anyway, enough about this Ched Evans character. It's the progress of Chef Evan's career I'm more interested in. Has he got his first Michelin star yet?
     
  14. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Its quite interesting to hear all this public uproar from either side when Deeney when in and out of jail quite unnoticed.

    Certainly weren't petitions pleaded for him to be banned from the game or radio phone-ins..

    Guess rape really is seen as a more serious crime than assault?
     
  15. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    Yes it is! Aggravated assault comes to mind ...
     
  16. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Two things:

    As he only did half his sentence (not the full bowl of porridge) doesn't this mean that he's "admitted" his crime to get out "early". If you sit in nick and continually say "I didn't do it..." don't you, perversely, have to do the full term? So all this talk of innocence and "appealing" is a bit of a red herring?

    Also, it will be very interesting to see whether any of the manufacturers or sponsors want to be associated with a convicted sex offender?
     
  17. afanof

    afanof First Team

    Most people coming out of prison will not be able to walk back into their job, in fact they will find it very hard to get any kind of job.
    Ched Evans' girlfriend is from a very wealthy family and doesn't need his money.
    The victim has not been able to carry on with her life, and has had to be given a new identity.
    The misogyny on here is shocking.
     
  18. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    You need to read what happened. Deeney hadn't gone looking for trouble, but stupidly got involved. He deserved what he got, but should be able to move on.

    Evans is a calculating predator. I'm not sure what you can do someone like that. I'm not sure how he can be redeemed through football.
     
  19. Shakespearo

    Shakespearo Reservist

    Maybe they have managed to recover the supposed Facebook messages that circulated between the victim and her friends in the immediate aftermath (assuming that they show anything relevant) and which she deleted.

    The pre-trial tweets were recovered from a cache of a French Google server if I understand it correctly.
     
  20. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    I thought that as well - but in the paper this morning he was talking about miscarriage of justice etc. I thought you didn't get let out if you didn't accept you had done wrong?
     
  21. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Whether or not the girl was capable of consent is a different matter, but at the time do you really think Evans thought he was raping someone? I think "calculating predator" is the wrong term to use in a case like this.
     
  22. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    A drunken woman literally stumbled across their path. He and his associates took her away in a semi conscious state and had sex with her without her being fit to consent. That seems highly predatory.

    It's not impossible that there are women staggering around in Pizza takeaways in the hopeful chance of having sex with footballers while their brothers and friends look on and film it, but it seems unlikely to me. That's what you need to believe.
     
  23. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Given his wealth, fame and ability to attract the opposite sex it doesn't seem logical to me that Evans would have seen this as an opportunity to get his leg over which was too good to turn down. I'm not saying he isn't guilty, but my point is that I would be surprised if he considered what he was doing at the time an act of rape. Hence my contention with it being desribed as calculating.
     
  24. Diamond

    Diamond Squad Player

    Utter garbage.
     
  25. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    If you are a decent looking footballer surely opportunities for a shag are relatively easy to come upon? The need to do this with a virtually comatose individual in front of your brother and others doesn't speak of any normal sexual attraction/desire to get a leg over with another person to me.

    Whether he thought it was rape or not is completely irrelevant. Lots of people commit crimes without any due regard for the individual they hurt and scant recognition of the criminality of their acts at all.
     
  26. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    I guess my point is that at the time he thought it was consensual (my opinion from reading the facts). Subsequently it was proved in court that it wasn't. Which is different in my opinion to someone who knows full well it isn't consensual at the time who is doing it to exert power more than any sexual gratification. The court has found him guilty, but I think it's a bit unfair to lump him in with the calculating Jimmy Savile.
     
  27. Shakespearo

    Shakespearo Reservist

    This all sounds pretty damming. What troubles me is that this doesn't fit with the CCTV footage of her walking in to the hotel unaided in very high heels balancing a large pizza box in one hand.

    It's hard to believe she could have been semi conscious 10 minutes later when Ched Evans arrived, given that she hadn't drunk any further alcohol for over an hour. That's not to say she couldn't still have been raped of course.
     
  28. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    That is usually the way of things yes. And I believe there are prisoners wasting away indefinitely in jail, both here and in the USA, way beyond their original sentences, because their release is conditional on their admission of guilt.

    I suspect his potential to make extra money from endorsements will have been totally compromised.
     
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2014
  29. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    How would you argue your last sentence?
     
  30. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    In his trial he was pretty arrogant about how easy it was for him as a footballer to attract women (used this as his defence). So potentially this arrogance made him think that all women were up for it with him irrespective of circumstance, and it clouded his judgement of the situation.
     
  31. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    So what is your view on "they will find it hard to get any kind of job"? If that's true, is it at all sensible? How might that, in general, affect ex-cons potential to re-offend?

    He's served his time. Whether or not his remission required an admission of guilt is irrelevant. If it did, then he's out with remission and that should preclude his appeal surely. Assistance here UEA? If it didn't (admittedly strange), then he should be allowed to appeal. Whatever, having satisfied his debt to the state, he should now be allowed to get on with his life in the best way he can.

    Sure, the comments around his girlfriend (not made by me) could be construed as misogynistic if taken too seriously. But just because she's got a few bob doesn't mean to say she'd not necessarily be happy to be the beneficiary of a lot more. On the other hand, maybe she's just forgiven her rapist boyfriend. Anyway, it's a sideshow to the main issues.
     
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2014
  32. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    Fair enough. Point taken.
     
  33. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    In this country I believe that only applies to life sentences. Everything else is like a conveyor belt. At a certain point in your sentence you have the right to release. Usually at the halfway point, minus days spent on remand and a few other bits and pieces. No need to admit anything but he has to demonstrate he's not a danger. He'll be under the direction of the probation service now until his 5 years are up.
     
  34. fan

    fan slow toaster

    i think there is an unspoken agreement here that we should only talk about how this affects evans, because you know, regardless of what the police, cps, judge, jury and witnesses said, she was totally consenting to it and just had a little bit of regret afterwards. happens to us all
     
  35. Godfather

    Godfather bricklayer extraordinaire

    Has he been found guilty of arrogance now?

    That it's true is what should be considered - He has absolutely no need to seek out "vulnerable" women as (already being in a steady relationship) I'll wager he usually had to fight them off ... I know I had to at his age, birds are like London buses.
     

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