Bumbling Wroy

Discussion in 'General Football & Other Sport' started by Vicarage Road, May 25, 2016.

  1. Vicarage Road

    Vicarage Road Reservist

    With the Euros fast approaching, what are your thoughts on England's chances? Personally, I think we have the talent to win the thing, unfortunately, the man in charge is clueless. If England were to set up with Vardy and Kane up top, with a diamond midfield containing Alli attacking and Dier holding, we'd be sorted. Wroy won't have the bottle to play Kane and Vardy together in attack, he'll play Rooney and Wiltshire and half a dozen 5h1te Liverpool players. With him in charge, expect another early exit
     
  2. Hornet23

    Hornet23 First Team

    What has this got to do with Watford?
     
  3. Hornetzzz

    Hornetzzz First Year Pro

    I've heard he wants to play Rooney and Lallana on the wings on Friday against the Aussies. I know that he is just trying stuff but he shouldn't need to try that for him to know it won't work. Our two best players are strikers, so play them both in their natural positions and we'll do well.
     
  4. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Still 'experimenting' a few weeks before the tournament yet claiming 'experimenting' as the reason for every poor result for the last two years pretty much says all you need to know about the dinosaur in charge.
     
  5. Levon

    Levon Squad Player

    I heard Roy will play Jurado on the left wing.
     
  6. Buz180

    Buz180 Academy Graduate

    Woy can experiment all he wants in these friendly matches because he will completely bottle it when it comes to the first Euro game and revert to his dinosaur ways. No way will he play Kane and Vardy together. The overrated Henderson will start (if fit) as will good old Milner. That said, even Woy should lead England out of a poor group and into the knockout stages. I just see it as some football to watch to fill in the gap before Watford start again.
     
  7. Our chances?

    Less than zero

    We will end up owing points
     
  8. With A Smile

    With A Smile First Team

    he plays Kane and Vardy with Ali behind them.
    Ali gets sent off for being petulent
    Vardy gets sent off for diving twice
    Kane decides to shot at every opportunity rather than making the easy passs
    England Lose,
    Its Roys Fault

    Rooney starts up front
    With Kane and Vardy either side of him
    Rooney goes wondering into midfield and Vardy and Kane find themselves loitering around the wings
    The ref fails to give a blatent penalty for a foul on Vardy
    Stones tries one to many passes and gets caught out and we lose 1-0
    It's roys fault

    England win the championship
    It was luck, nothing to do with Roy

    Who'd be a manager
     
  9. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    One problem is the idiotic decision to include Wilshire. Roy has to start him every warm up game to try and get him match fit so the warm up games are all centred round one player rather than formulating the best team.

    Talent wise I'd expect us to get quarter finals. Anything else is a job well done by Roy.
     
  10. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    If we get out of the group I'll be surprised. If we get to the Semi Finals I'll be utterly astonished.

    Win it?
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  11. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    With 4 of the best 3rd places going through, to get out of the group 1 win should be enough provided you don't get thrashed in the other 2 matches. I expect England to get out of the group but not much more.
     
  12. reids

    reids First Team

    He'll play them together, but not how they should be used (aka up top together). He'll use Vardy as a winger.
     
  13. TringOrn

    TringOrn First Year Pro

    I despise how Rooney has publicly announced that he wants to move to a midfield role just a few weeks before the start of the tournament. There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that Hodgson will find a way of shoehorning him in there even if it's to the detriment of the team (which it will be). People raving about Rooney's performance in the FA Cup final are ignoring how many times he gave the ball away in a threatening position.

    We should absolutely be playing with Kane and Vardy as a front two - there's absolutely no point playing Vardy if you're going to stick him out on the left wing as he did against Turkey (or so I hear, I couldn't be arsed to watch it). I actually don't mind Henderson, Milner or Wilshere and I think 2 of them would fit in well in a diamond with Alli and Dier. It ain't gonna happen though - 4-2-3-1 with Rooney in midfield and Vardy left wing. Predicting a 2nd round exit to some tinpot Eastern European country.
     
  14. With A Smile

    With A Smile First Team

    Roy hasn't played with wingers all the way through the qualifying, so I wouldn't expect him to start now.

    His either played 4 3 2 1 or 4 3 3. If he is goin gto fit Kane, Vardy and Rooney in, which I suspect he will, then he'll out Rooney a little deeper just behind Kane and Vardy.

    Unfortunately this is probably going to be at the expense of Barkley or Ali

    My biggest concern is Ali's temperament. All those little niggels and flick outs that he gets away with or a yellow card in the premiership is a straight red in Euro championships.

    If he can keep that edge but take it down a notch, then he could turn out to be the player of the tournament
     
  15. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    We are not going to win.

    We will go out at the earliest opportunity.
    In vardy and Kane we might have a chance at quarters ish, but they won't play or will be out of position
     
  16. magyarorszag

    magyarorszag Squad Player

    people think we have a chance? have you see the squads from france, germany, spain...
     
  17. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    We have no chance of winning it, but the semi finals would equate to an excellent tournament.

    Alli is too inconsistent to play 90 minutes of every game, and is likely to pick up cards.

    Rooney moved into midfield before his announcement as he was absolutely awful up front this season. He was quite good in midfield for the final stretch of the season.

    Rashford has been excellent and deserves his chance to earn a spot. He has been better than Defoe and Sturridge in the EPL run in.

    Wilshire hasn't been fit all season and is the only question mark on the squad list if you ask me (although Foster might also have been taken as our third keeper). However, if he gets fit, he offers far more than Henderson, Lallana etc. The only person I could think who he could have taken otherwise is Carrick, as he had a pretty good end to the season. However, he has never staked as much of a claim as Wilshire has, so I can see why he is gambling. I'm not sure I'd even take Barkley, as he has had a very poor end to the season.

    I certainly don't think Roy is world class, but some of the criticism of him is completely unfounded.
     
  18. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    As always all discussion about England dont focus on our awful awful defense.
     
  19. Meh!

    Meh! Pre-Dictator

    So taking any discussion about other players not included in the 26 away now as is irrelevant, I've done a comparison of the replacements to the squad from the 2014 World Cup to this one and as far as I can see this is generally a vastly improved side:

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    I'm sure someone will point out that I have a couple of defensive positions wrong, but the only position I see that is weaker would be Lallana. Otherwise, every single position changed is a big improvement on 2014.

    I think we'll do ok with this lot - I'd say lose in the semi on pens, Alli missing the vital one and being in the next Pizza Hut ad.
     
  20. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Good point. You have to think at some point Cahill/Smalling will be absolutely destroyed and we will let in 3/4.
     
  21. reids

    reids First Team

    Surely Drinkwater/Lallana are the wrong way round? Same with Clyne/Bertrand. But a good comparison, i'd agree although i'd say 2014 Baines is probably better than Bertrand, but not by a lot.
     
  22. Legends

    Legends Reservist

    Most of you sound like the pundits putting Watford down before a ball was kicked.
    However i dont think England will win but I'll put my neck out and say we will make the final but only if the defence can put in some stellar performances. Otherwise no chance.
    Very much capable of creating and scoring opportunities. Those that write off Rooney, simply have very limited football nous. Its like saying we should drop Deeney. Rooney to England means as much.
     
  23. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    We're ****
    Woy's ****
    It's all ****
    We'll lose to Germany on penalties.
    Can't be arsed to watch it.
     
  24. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    No he doesn't.
     
  25. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    If the squad and starting 11 was picked based on recent form then we'd have a chance. But the squad and starting line up will always be the same old faces and that means it'll be the same old outcome.

    Hodgson is a corporate yes man, a very safe bet for the old boys at the FA. He won't rock the boat too much and will always do his best to come up with some excuses as to why we haven't done very well at any particular tournament.

    Rooney shouldn't be going, simple as that. It is all too easy to trot out the line about taking him for his experience of Euro's and World Cups but what the fark has that achieved in the past? If there was ever to be an England manager who would pick a squad from scratch and pick on form rather than just tweak the odd one or two then we would have half a chance.

    The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over again and expect a different outcome.
     
  26. Meh!

    Meh! Pre-Dictator

    Am I totally being whooshed here or is that a massive contradiction?
     
  27. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    I don't think so, some people seem to have been writing off England's hopes no matter what team Roy picks and/or no matter how well the players he picks perform.
     
  28. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    You should have had a chat with QSF
     
  29. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Wonder why that is?

    Experience.
     
  30. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    Don't think you will win it, think a lot of English players are overhyped once again for this tournament (bar Kane and Vardy who could probably play for any team at the Euros).

    Think your squad is on par with the likes of Italy and Portugal. I'd guess you'll get to the quarter finals.

    Hoping we can get through our group, will be tough in the fight for 2nd and 3rd (assuming Germany win). Take away Lewandowski and I don't think there is anything between us/Poland/Ukraine.
     
  31. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    3 teams get through from each group so I'd say that was highly unlikely really.
     
  32. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    Isn't it that the 4/6 best third place finishers get through?

    So points, and then goal difference.

    If we didn't get through the group stages, I would be astonished.
     
  33. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Sturridge injured yet again apparently.
     
  34. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    If Rooney has another **** tournament I hope every English man boos him at league games for the rest of his career.

    Captain, record holder, 'talisman etc. Yet every tournament (which is what international football is about) he's been atrocious. '
     
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