Brexit - FA to limit overseas players

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by hornetboy1, Nov 13, 2018.

  1. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

  2. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Time to revisit the Homegrown loophole.

    Fabregas & Ronaldo, the best 2 players never to play for England.

    Am I right that Quina will be HG when he turns 21?

    One consequence is that outstanding young HGs will have greater value (regardless of how English they are). The World's Greatest Scouting Network TM cranks into gear.
     
  3. FA tries to push home grown agenda, Premier league threatens to turn off the flow of money, FA backs down. Same **** different day.
     
  4. Well done everybody.
     
  5. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Still, at least we'll get all the extra money for the NHS and no more terrorist immigrants so this is a small price to pay.
     
  6. Pob

    Pob Reservist

    Huzzar that sounds really positive. Hang on though, how are we going to get anybody to actually work in the NHS and look after all the sick people once we get rid of the foreigners?
     
  7. CaveManHornet

    CaveManHornet Reservist

    Like we did before we were in the EU? Streets aren't going to be deserted with tumbleweed bouncing across abandoned roads......
     
  8. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    This is not a political thread, at least it isn't in the politics section. Could we be kind enough to stop it going in that direction too much?
     
  9. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Yes, of course, we can suddenly turn on a tap and out will pour all of those nurses and doctors etc that we need.
     
  10. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    Time to abandon EPPP then. Stop the top teams stealing and hording the young British talent. Also maybe some of these youngsters will stay with their smaller teams to get game time, instead of a fat pay check for just training.
     
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  11. Pob

    Pob Reservist

    Not sure about pre EU but I suspect we were more reliant on commonwealth doctors and nurses at that point. The profile of recruitment may have changed since then.

    I work in the NHS, although admit I’m not an expert in clinical recruitment. What I do know is that NHS leadership is genuinely concerned and there is already an impact on recruitment and money being spent on campaigns to make EU nurses and doctors feel welcome.

    I could quote loads of articles but a google search of “Brexit impact on nhs recruitment” will return loads if anyone is interested. The key thing from a google search is that it does not just return lefty liberal or Guardian propaganda about the ramificationss for the nhs, there appears universal concern from the people running the NHS and perhaps even more pertinently the staff on the front lines caring for patients.

    I can’t predict the future but I think there are legitimate concerns. I hope you're right and it will all be ok.

    As for the more important issue of WFC I suspect the club will come up with some sort of strategy and it will work out. I reckon it may annoy the big clubs more.
     
  12. Of course it is a political thread.
     
  13. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    I just mean if we could steer away from the usual suspects slagging each other off about their political leanings. (There is a space for that) the. More people might potentially comment
     
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  14. scummybear

    scummybear Reservist

  15. You should be careful about posting outside of the politics section. Some people do not have a sarcasm detector.
     
  16. EB Hornet

    EB Hornet Reservist

    Long term I'd actually like this to happen, as well as a change to the loan ruling regarding how many a team can send out in a season. Essentially, if done well, more young talented English players will get to develop whilst actually playing in the Premier League. Short term pain, long term gain.

    And I'd trust our owners to be well planned and organised in how to best to survive / flourish under these rules.
     
  17. ITK platypus

    ITK platypus Squad Player

    I honestly don't give a damn what nationality a player is if they're playing for Watford. This will only makes us weaker.
     
  18. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    Ultimately money talks. There will absolutely no reason why the Government and FA can't come up with a scheme that allows the best European players to still come here.

    I think the bigger effect will be in the lower divisions where it will be far more difficult to justify less skilled players being given special status.

    I can't understand why dropping the number of overseas players allowed in EPL squads relates to Brexit at all anyway. Surely, if it is harder to recruit EU players, the ratio of overseas to HL players will drop naturally anyway?
     
  19. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    On the downside, this is 100% correct. I'm closely involved with Board level NHS and they are very concerned about staff numbers.
    On the upside, perhaps our medical team will be deported ??
     
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  20. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    I think the FA will find this as a convenient excuse to increase HG players (meaning ultimately English players) and will use Brexit as the vehicle in order to push this directive through.

    The FA have always wanted to redress the issue of English players playing in the Premier League. The only way they can do this is to enforce it. Currently there are only 28% English players in the Premier League. This is something Southgate loves to make clear.

    The FA will hope by playing more English players, it will improve the choice of talent for the national squad.

    However, it looks like it has to be voted for by the 20 EPL clubs. Clearly Watford will not vote for it, and I think it will be an issue for many Champions League clubs. This is the only saving grace. If the top 6 vote for it, it will happen. If they do not, then it will not happen. I can't see them voting for it, as their aim is to win things. They will not win European titles or domestic trophies with a predominantly British team.

    If it does come to pass, that HG players are forced on clubs, then it will be the end for clubs like Watford. It would hit us harder than most.

    All this will do, especially under the EPPP rules, is ensure the appetite of the top 6 increases to hoover up every young talented player they can find. Clubs outside of the top 6 will struggle massively. They will only be able to sign journeymen pros and the price of these players will be greatly inflated, even more than they are now. They won't have academies, as if they do produce a good 'un then a top 6 club will take him for next to nothing. All you'll be left with are young players the top 6 don't want, which probably won't be worth having, unless you operate in League One or lower.
     
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  21. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    You could argue that, if the supply of good EU players is curtailed by Brexit, restricting the number per squad to 12 might benefit the smaller clubs.

    If there is less supply the top clubs will keep all the good ones in their 17 and we will get the dregs.

    One thing is for sure, home grown players will command an even greater premium if this goes through. The FA will do better to stop the top clubs hoarding the top young English players without actually playing them if they want to improve the national team.
     
  22. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Whilst it was clearly higher than 28%, I wonder what % of Div1 teams were actually English-qualified in the "good old days". Many of the top clubs' best players were from the other countries in the British Isles.
     
  23. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    The thing is, there is no correlation to the Premier League being flooded with English players and England success in tournaments.

    To my mind, that is an illusion. Sure I suppose the choice is wider, but is it quantity rather than quality?

    Only this year England got to a World Cup semi final with only a 28% of English players in the top tier. What was the excuse for English failure in the 70's/80's and 90's, when the volume of English players was very high?
     
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  24. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    In my opinion, if they enforce that 25-man squads have to have more homegrown players in them, they should bring in a second rule that says teams have to have a certain number of them in the match day squad and then a percentage of them actually in the starting line-up.

    Only way to stop the top clubs stockpiling them. Bad news in the short-term but actually good for the game in the longer scheme of things I think. But I can see that may be a minority view.

    Disclaimer: This is no way should be seen as an endorsement of Brexit which IMO is an utter-****- show.
     
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  25. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Well tbh we have a few dead wood overseas players like Marvin Z and Britos - they could easily be replaced by a young British player like Wilmott and we have the likes of Hughes/Chalobah of course.

    According to the Times even Huddersfield and Brighton have 17 so nearly everyone will be in the same boat.

    Only the likes of Palace/Burnley and Cardiff would be ok under any new ruling which they suggested would be a minimum of 12.

    I'd have more faith in the Pozzos to work through this than some of the other owners around who just throw money around like confetti.

    Just means less fancy rumours of random players from overseas and having x loans out playing across the world.
     
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  26. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    What I think it would undoubtedly lead to is smaller English clubs being almost used like feeder clubs in return for financial backing.

    I can also foresee the introduction of B teams into the lower leagues as had been mooted, like they do in mainland Europe.
     
  27. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Really hope you're wrong.
     
  28. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    They must get rid of EPPP to enforce this. It’s a disgrace that the top clubs can just steal any youth player worth having.
     
  29. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    Certainly in the 70s and 80s England’s failure was largely due to the National managers refusing to pick the most talented players.
     
  30. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

  31. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    Can you expand on that a little bit, please?
     
  32. Vespa Crabro

    Vespa Crabro Rookery Faithful

  33. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    An oddly casual approach to recruitment.
     
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  34. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Precisely!

    Liverpool fielded teams with no English players during their glory days.

    (Un)surprisingly they won everything going.
     
  35. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    How does someone with no experience in the industry get appointed to the top job? A bloody strange choice to say the least. Still, doubt she could be more useless than Scudamore.

    As for the notion that increasing the percentage of English players helping the national team, that's pure fantasy. The only thing that will benefit the England team is having a higher calibre of player come through the youth ranks. While it's true that younger players need game time to develop, the sad reality is our youth training isn't good enough and hasn't been good enough for years. Forcing clubs to use a couple of additional useless English players won't suddenly make them less useless.

    If they're serious about getting more good players developed, EPPP has to go. The fact big clubs can all but steal players from smaller clubs clearly doesn't offer much incentive to run a decent academy, which is borne out by many smaller clubs simply shutting theirs down. It's not cost effective to do so. On top of that, large clubs hoovering up talent in the hope one of them will stick really doesn't benefit the youngsters much.

    Look at the likes of Sancho: poached from us by Man City, not given a chance there because they buy the complete article, then has to move abroad to get a game. While it worked out for him, he's very much the exception. Plenty of players have made the same journey and gone down the tubes thanks to a big club basically letting them rot. Chalobah is another example: not given a chance at Chelsea, comes to us to further his career and then gets called up to England. I would think most players would have realised by now that they've got a far better chance of making it as a pro if they stay at a club who can't afford to buy every world class player they see than one who can, but then most footballers don't seem the sharpest tools in the shed.
     

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