Beware Big 6 Power Grab - Operation Big Picture

Which you can understand, imagine a club like West Ham getting relegated with no parachute payments, they’d go bust instantly.

The big six obviously appreciate that by giving them the ‘special voting rights’ to try and influence them to vote for it, which thankfully hasn’t worked.

 

So many teams are in big financial trouble that they will probably want to grab this short term fix with both hands, but at what cost in the medium to long run. If the big 6 get away with this and grab all the power I think many of those who are willing to accept this "carrot" that is being dangled will probably be out of business in a year or two anyway if they take this deal.

As once these guys have all the power they will probably reverse the 25% "sugar candy" financial deal that is on the the table now, leaving everyone but themselves a lot worse off and with no power at all.

 

It'll be "you can have the 25% but we want to pick your team and play our u23s in it"

 

Tell the clubs behind this to **** off out of the Prem and the FA Cup (as well as the League Cup) and go and play in the European Showbiz League.

 

The Times says that two days before the Big Picture plan was announced, the EFL rejected a £375 offer from an American investment firm for a 20% stake in the league.

The Yanks really are parking their tanks on our lawn - and they're only just learning to play our game.

 

I think it would also open up franchising too. Any billionaire can buy a club and relocate it. Especially on promotion to the PL. No money in Hertfordshire so let's move it closer to London or to Manchester. Only 6 votes needed. Nothing to do with the fans, just like in American Sports.

They've wanted this and a 'city only' league for a long long time. Clubs like Burnley and Watford bring nothing to them apart from a reputation-hitting defeat now and then.

 

We don't. All we did was damage the product in their eyes. The last straw was probably us ripping Liverpool's invincible season away from them so comprehensively.

 

Have not seen another thread on this, what do we think about the proposed prem league shake up , including dropping to 18 teams

suggestion is prem league drops to 18 teams, but gives the FA (lower leagues) 250m per year, but will also see the end of parachute payments + other things like changes to domestic cups

seems like bad news for teams like us and the prem league teams that aren’t part of the big 7 or 8 , increasing danger of relegation , less games , less security

I assume the rational for Liverpool / Man U is they want to play less domestic games as they have European commitments , however shouldn’t it be domestic league interests first

 

Greedy American owners. Want less glamorous games against lower premiership teams and replace them with lucrative worldwide friendlies. They moan about their players playing too many games but it is all about money. Let the top six scarper off and the top English domestic league would then become a lot more competitive and enjoyable to real football fans.

 

Not that related to the original post but do agree with the idea of reforming the League Cup. It's a total waste of everyone's time at the moment. I'd make it the EFL Cup and just exclude the Premier League teams. Would give teams a realistic chance of silverware and you'd see some good runs from L1 and L2 sides.

Edit: should probably say something more related to the thread so here goes: the big teams are all ****s

 

http://wfcforums.com/index.php?threads/beware-big-6-power-grab.57641/page-3#post-2917252

 

Yet another reason to completely dislike MU and L'Pool.

 

Given not being able to go to games and this absurd self interest from the big 6 and the fawning media I’m not that far away from giving up on football. I used to find it magical in the 80s and 90s even when we were rubbish at times. Now it just makes me angry whether it’s the money grabbing short sighted self interest or the chaotic ownership of my club. Life would be better just observing it from time to time from a distance as I do cricket or formula 1.

 

I went to see Kings Langley v Lowestoft at the weekend. A decent walk from Appleby. £10 to get in, Pint of Side Pocket at £3.50 an entertaining match. I think it could catch on.

 

£10 sounds steep to me!

 

missed that thread, mods please feel free to take this thread round the back and shoot it (or combine with the other easier)

 

Interesting so almost unanimous (to the extent no one spoke against it rather than being actively for it) so its only some of the "other 14" in the PL who are in the way-if they dont agree then the 6 plus 72 in EFL break away? I think i read today its a 75/15/10 split between Championship/L1 and L2 so c £8m for us and £1m for a L2 club from the £250m bribe/rescue/restructure.

Given the taxpayer should not bail clubs out just to pay the wages of highly paid footballers when so much other financial distress is around the UK at present it seems to me that this might play out. So some fan groups of the big 6 are against it but that won't matter.

 

You can kind of understand it being that way albeit it’s very disappointing it is.

There is now far more at stake for those currently in the premier league than the clubs outside it.

Imagine being a bottom half team having to finish two places higher to survive, and then if you get do get relegated you’ve got no parachute payments to fall back on. It would absolutely ruin most teams.

Sadly most EFL clubs will prefer the lifeline and what will ultimately be more money going forward, in exchange for the dream of making it as a top flight club.

EFL clubs will have a more comfortable existence, but virtually no chance of getting to and remaining in the premier league.

A sad day for football as and when it happens.

 

That Parry bloke is vile isn’t he? “This is two of our great clubs showing leadership and responsibility”.

The EPL deserves everything they get give they have appointed such a poor leader.

 

Yep, sickening stuff. Full quote “It is two of our great clubs showing leadership when it is needed, exercising great responsibility, and from the EFL point of view it is making our clubs sustainable and bridging the gap between the top of the Championship and and the bottom of the Premier League,”

Trumpian levels of shamelessness.

 

And to top it all apparently he has now jeopardised an existing proposed premier league support package for EPL because he has gone behind their back to talk to Liverpool and Man Utd. What a disgrace he is.

 

Regarding the league cup. I read an idea of someone’s that they could not include any team that’s qualified for Europe, which I thought was good.

Less teams would make it interesting. Play off for third bottom team I’m 50/50 with. Maybe just leave 3 up 3 down.

The majority vote thing is a joke and should never be allowed to happen

Money dished out down the pyramid should already happen


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It's a great idea. Trouble is whoever sponsors the trophy plus whoever broadcasts it hopes to have a City or Liverpool in the final every year.

 

We have to give him credit for timing it well and the sheer cynicism needed to wait for a moment like this - a global pandemic - to push through an agenda him and his ilk have had in mind for a decade or more. He seems, to example, to have herded all the scared little EFL sheep into line exceptionally easily. His whole flock seems to be on side within less than a week.

 

I do think the time has come to scrap the League Cup. When it first started I understand it was as much an irritation to the top clubs as it is now and it was only when they moved the final to Wembley that it became attractive (and significant financially in those days). Then it enjoyed a golden age of 20-odd years when it was almost equal to the FA Cup in status before the PL started to erode its worth. Taking away the top teams now I believe would ensure it remains a ‘practice’ tournament for the rest, the same as the EFL Trophy is. However, some radical thinking needs to be done to improve the lot of the FA Cup, which remains important to smaller clubs as a source of revenue, and mustn’t be allowed to die.

 

Was thinking about this part of his statement: “bridging the gap between the top of the Championship and and the bottom of the Premier League”

I mean how can it do anything but the opposite? We’ll surely go back to how it was years ago when it was virtually impossible for a promoted side to stay up, however it would be interesting to see how clubs like Brighton, Burnley and Palace would approach things, clubs that generally circle the drain with regularity.

Sure they’d have a massive advantage over promoted clubs, but one false move and they’d be in huge trouble. Instead of £50m of parachute payments it’d be £8m. I guess that’s where you absolutely need a rich owner who can afford to gamble and out run any FFP rules in the championship, by chucking money at it and hoping for promotion again.

 

I'm not sure something that has been described as having 'near unanimous support' by the EFL can really be described as 'behind their back'.

Clubs like Burton, Gillingham and Peterborough have zero Premier League ambition. A bit like Madagascar getting to the World Cup. It's not going to happen, they don't really want it to happen. None of it's going to matter to them.

Take the money and live it up. If EFL fans think a penny of the '25% of the PL TV money' will go anywhere near them, it shows how thick football fans are.

I'm sure our 'football people' owners are fully behind the plan. Money for nothing.

 

Killing off the league cup is an opportunity to boost the FA cup. Third round day was always the best day of the season country wide, big crowds everywhere. Needs something to get back to that, but I have no idea what.

 

Personally I would just cut these two clubs loose. Let them go and do their own thing. Let them create their own little league containing Liverpool, United, Rangers, Celtic with Oldham and Tranmere making up the numbers.

I'd have absolutely no issue with losing United and Liverpool. They've long had visions above their own station and would be no loss to the EPL IMO.

 

I think Jumbo means behind the backs of the PL and the majority of its clubs. Rumour is those clubs are now more opposed to bailing out the EFL as they don't want to be seen to do business with Parry.