[RUMOUR] Abdoulaye Doucoure

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  1. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    any incoming
     
  2. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

  3. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    This would be a fair comment if it wasn't deadline day and we would have little chance to get in a half decent replacement
     
  4. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    I’d rather sell neither. We don’t have enough wide players as it is...
     
  5. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Would be tricky with his 120k wages unless Chelsea swallow half of it? Not sure I’d want him anyway.
     
  6. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    I was thinking more as a loan, just to tide us over until the summer. He's not a bad player, and would fit a club like Watford far better than Chelsea. I was surprised they wanted him in the first place...….must have been the "Leicester winning the league" that fuzzed their brain.

    £40m plus Drinkwater on loan....I'd take that.
     
  7. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    Doucoure to Chelsea makes absolutely no sense whatsoever; central midfield is pretty much the only area of the pitch they don't really need to strengthen.

    Drinkwater, Barkley and Loftus-Cheek already don't get many minutes for them, and Doucoure isn't much of an upgrade. They also have Ampadu coming through the ranks.

    PS Oh, though if I was going to ask for a midfielder from Chelsea in part exchange in the incredibly unlikely event that this is true, I'd go for Loftus-Cheek over Drinkwater.
     
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  8. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    Would rather Batshuayi over Drinkwater, who's no better than Cleverley.
     
  9. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    Drinkwater is better than Cleverley, though they are similar types of player.

    Batshuayi + Loftus-Cheek for Doucs wouldn't be the worst deal.
     
  10. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    This is my final offer....take it or leave it. Batshuayi & Cahill perm and Lotus-Cheek on loan for Doucoure.
     
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  11. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    That's a rubbish deal - Cahill's contract is up in the summer, so he'd hardly cost more than a couple of £million were Chelsea to let him go.

    Batshuayi is worth about £25mil (maybe £30mil)

    Loftus-Cheek on loan for half a season is pretty pointless, and given loan fees for Premier League players having him for half a season would also only be worth about £3mil.

    So you'd be valuing Doucoure at only about £30-35mil - below what we should even start considering.
     
  12. I Blame Bassett

    I Blame Bassett Squad Player

    I don't think Cahill would suit a perm!
    Kante plus Odoi plus RLC plus Pedro PLUS Charlie Cook for AD,possibly.
     
  13. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    He has also done very little so far to suggest he's that good.
     
  14. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    Cook plays for Bornmuff m8. Interesting mixed transfer metaphor though.
     
  15. I Blame Bassett

    I Blame Bassett Squad Player

    Alistair Cooke,being attacked by a duck?
    Alistair Cook,not playing cricket?
    Helen Crook?
    Harry Rednapp?
     
  16. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    Exactly. One of these mythical hype jobs that has 'untapped potential' but never really shown it. Media hype job.

    See: Welbeck, Sturridge, Origi, Solanke....
     
  17. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    Tanguy Ndombele on the verge of signing for Spurs from Lyon.

    Should be another supposed suitor for Doucoure ruled out if it goes through.
     
  18. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    On the verge? Really? Only stuff I've seen today has sounded like the usual tabloid rumour stuff.

    I'll believe it when I see it.
     
  19. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    He is on the verge. He's moving the pen verrrrrrrrrrry slowly to the paper with some epic music playing in the background. It'll be done by Christmas IMHO.
     
  20. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    Just going by what I've read on SSN.
    Of course most things can only be believed when they are seen in this day and age of transfers....only passing on the info I saw.
     
  21. reids

    reids Squad Player

    6 goals in 13 games for Palace,
    9 goals in 14 games for Dortmund,
    19 goals in 53 games for Chelsea (most of which were sub appearances),
    33 goals in 78 games for Marseille
    13 goals in 25 games for Belgium?

    And he's still only 25. We didnt spend much less than that on Gray who has a far inferior record.
     
  22. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! First Year Pro

    Yes but that goals per game record would plummet when he doesn't have two annual games against us to fill his boots...
     
  23. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    Well I'd already seen that article as well, and it says:

    "Discussions are understood to be in the early stages and they are still far from agreeing a deal for the 22-year-old France international."

    Which is rather different from the "on the verge of signing" which you claimed.

    https://www.skysports.com/football/...tanguy-ndombele-talks-with-lyon-over-transfer
     
  24. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    Listen. I looked on the ‘Transfer Centre’ article on the SSN app on my phone which is a rolling news feed...

    18:36
    Tottenham are very close to the signing of Lyon midfielder Tanguy Ndombele, according to Sky in Italy. Juventus were previously interested in the 22-year old.

    Then later on in the feed at 19:41, there is bit with more depth where they state what you have said.

    Why so quick to criticise? You don’t like my wording? Fair enough, but people give contributions on here to try and update others with things they may not have seen. I’m a 34 year old man who supports Watford and works in the music industry - not for one moment was I trying to suggest that somehow I personally have the inside track on a multi-million pound deal! I saw something, so I shared it as I thought it was relevant given Spurs have been one of the clubs mooted for Doucoure. I apologise if that triggers you, but it’s a bit odd that you can’t just read some things that people contribute on here and take them at face value. It’s going to a long summer...
     
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  25. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    Looking at your reply there I don't think I'm the one that's been triggered.

    Well there's a perfectly good reason for that, it's because people often post things which, either intentionally or accidentally, misrepresent the background/behind the scenes sources they're referring to...

    Fair enough if in your particular instance here you had accurately relayed what you'd read, but it did contradict the more detailed view, and given you also hadn't stated the source for the assertion I think that my questioning its validity was fair. Clickbait-type headlines in places such as Sky Transfer Centre can also often be misleading when compared the full picture.

    It would have been surprising if you had the inside track on the Ndombele deal, at least...

    This part wouldn't surprise me, unfortunately.
     
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  26. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    My original post was made at 7:32PM. SSN updated their feed at 7:41PM.

    So at the time of my post, it didn’t contradict a more detailed view as it hadn’t been published yet. As I say, I posted in good faith as I always do. I appreciate its maybe just your particular style but I just don’t get the rush to criticise. I don’t think anyone on here purposely twists what they have read - it’s hardly a hotbed for click-bait and for us to individually profit from it.
     
  27. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

    34 ? I'd always assumed you were Stormzy, but clearly not then ?
     
  28. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    Close.
     
  29. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

    Elvis Costello ?
     
  30. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    This could be a long game.
     
  31. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

    "Long game" is clearly a clue.
    Johnathan Rice ?
     
  32. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    Lethal Bizzle?
     
  33. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    You quoted a post of mine from the end of January, prior to his time at Palace.

    I also notice you didn't include his 3 goals in 23 games at Valencia, who he had just finished with when I wrote my post.

    Did brilliantly in a season at Dortmund but largely flattered to deceive at Chelsea (hence why they keep loaning him out while they play strikers like Giroud, Morata and Higuain).
     
  34. reids

    reids Squad Player

    Oops, didn't see that. Not sure how I missed Valencia off either but good point - not sure what happened at Valencia. Chelsea are weird when it comes to strikers. Batshuayi really wasn't given a fair chance so they sacked him off and bought in Morata who like Batshuayi didn't have bad goalscoring stats (slightly under xG but still averaged a goal every other game for them) who they've now sacked off for Higuain (who's basically matched Moratas goalscoring output) whilst likely to make a big loss on Morata. Baffling.
     
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  35. mgf_portas

    mgf_portas Academy Graduate

    It also matters which club is doing the buying. In the summer of 2016, Rennes sold central midfielder Abdoulaye Doucoure to Watford for around $12 million. A bigger, wealthier club were also interested and had offered $20m for the player, who was their second choice to fit in midfield. But because that bigger club got their first choice, Watford were able to secure Doucoure for 40 percent less. This sort of thing happens all the time. The lesson is simple: it's very difficult for wealthy clubs to acquire players without sellers jacking up the prices.

    From a good article on transfers http://www.espn.com/soccer/blog/mar...de-to-rumorsfake-newsbuyback-clauses-and-more
     
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