Troy Deeney

Discussion in 'Former Players Archive' started by wfcSinatra, Feb 2, 2017.

  1. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    You're welcome.

    You expressed amazement at the support Troy was getting.

    I was just explaining how some of us can separate the personal issues of an individual from our desire for the club we support to have success.

    Of course you don't have to care about his or anyone elses concerns. The "imho" means in my humble opinion. It's my freedom to express the view that we should support him but you can do what you like.

    And of course you can have an opinion about his pay. It's totally irrelevant as it's not your money but you are entitled to your opinion none the less.
     
    Last edited: May 19, 2020
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  2. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    He has said he doesn't care if he isn't paid so that won't be a worry for him.
     
  3. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Be aware that a regular troll on this site has seen the reaction to opposing Deeney's position on this and the passionate responses it's brought. They are now taking that position and hammering that point home in order to get an argumentative reaction and bring some joy to their sad little life.

    Don't join in.
     
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  4. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    That’s unfair on @wfc4ever
     
  5. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    We may be in a minority but I completely agree.
     
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  6. hornetgags

    hornetgags McMuff's lovechild

    6 players from 3 clubs have been tested positive following phase 1 training.

    Just out of curiosity, say Deeney tested positive...where does he self isolate for 7 days before being tested again?
     
  7. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    If this week is anything to go by, I imagine on social media and every football talk show or phone-in going.
     
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  8. hornetgags

    hornetgags McMuff's lovechild

    So you class that as a physical location?

    But congratulations on the attempt to be humourous.
     
  9. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Thanks mate.
     
  10. hornetgags

    hornetgags McMuff's lovechild

    No thanks needed, an intelligent response would have sufficed...but you have to play up to those who agree with you.
     
  11. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Me - when have I been criticising Deeney ?
     
  12. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Agree with me on what? I’m not really fussed about Deeney’s decision. If he doesn’t wish to play it seems pointless expecting him to. Playing sport when your heart or head isn’t in it won’t end well.
     
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  13. hornetgags

    hornetgags McMuff's lovechild

  14. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

  15. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    I think you are overestimating your powers of deduction as you are talking total nonsense.
     
  16. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    I don’t really understand why, yet again, some posters are personally attacking those who have a different view to themselves. None of us know Deeney so none of us can know for sure exactly what his motivations are. I don’t think he’s lying when he says he’s concerned, but neither do I think he’s the sharpest knife in the draw so I’m not entirely convinced he will have considered the risks logically, rather than as a knee-jerk emotional reaction. My personal view is that he and his family are more at risk of picking this up going to the supermarket than they are by Deeney returning to football under the conditions proposed. And, yes, there is a somewhat cynical streak in me that wonders if the vocal objections of both Deeney and Pearson would be quite as loud if our position in the League was less precarious. That said, I don’t think he should be forced to play - as @UEA_Hornet said, there is no point anyone being on the pitch who doesn’t want to be there.
     
  17. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    I agree with you and UEA, Deeney can do what he likes, and if he isn't comfortable taking part in training, or any games, then there is little point in wanting him to.

    I also admit that I would have been more understanding if our future as a club was less precarious. But, we are just one goal from being in the bottom three, and I believe that the club Captain should be at the forefront of battling for our Premier League safety in the Premier League. I agree with you that I could not see his family being put more at risk with all the testing of footballers and staff and precautions that are planned, than normal living under semi-lockdown.

    He is apparently living in Walsall with his family right now, and if I had been in his position, I would like to have thought I would have stayed down near Watford for a few weeks during our hour of need.
     
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  18. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    So now he's thick? I mean, it's not like the club have a large medical team with experts advising them of the risks. No no, its just him reading the papers. No advice given to Troy.

    You say that you aren't saying he's a liar but go on to suggest, like others, that our Captain and Coach - two pretty straight forward men, aren't being honest about their views.

    Is it that ******* crazy that they are both right in this case, we are supposed to be on lockdown still after all, and their view is completely legitimate and in any other circumstance, we wouldn't question it. But because it's football, and it can't be lived without, we choose to doubt our captain when he talks about his son, despite the fact that we complain he's honest to the point of detrimental to the team?

    No, he's just thick. Or a liar.
     
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  19. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    It’s a shame you can’t respond to an alternative viewpoint to your own on here in any other manner than aggression.
     
  20. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Ah, the faux outrage at me disagreeing with you as usual. It's a shame that you never fail to make a conversation personal because you have no response.

    Not a surprise when you've described someone who's concerned for the wellbeing of his son as not the 'sharpest knife in the draw'.
     
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  21. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    I have no problem with you disagreeing with me - it’s the manner in which you do so (with everyone, not just me) and the way that you twist things that people say in such an unpleasant manner, that I have a problem with. For example, implying that I am describing someone as “not the sharpest knife in the drawer” BECAUSE they are concerned for their son - which is not what I was saying at all. As you well know.
     
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  22. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Well I doubt that a vaccine will be available for use anytime soon so when next season starts I doubt he will feel he is able to take part then either. At the age of 32(?) I guess that is the end of Troy's football career and he can smoothly ease into his new media career.
     
  23. Maninblack

    Maninblack Reservist

    I disagree. I don't think it is helpful in the context of a pandemic to use a phrase often associated with a war effort when discussing mere entertainment.

    We all really know the Prem is only planning to resume because of TV & sponsors' money and legal threats rather than in the spirit of the game. The fact that a Watford player and two Watford staff tested positive yesterday shows the risk is still there, wherever they got the virus from. With Deeney's son suffering from breathing problems that fully vindicates his decision to stay away imo.

    Football is a contact sport and Deeney makes a valid point when he says we can't go to a hairdresser until mid-July yet players are expected to jostle with each other in the penalty area. They'll be bumping each other, breathing heavily, blowing their noses, spitting etc. They may be socially distancing whilst training now, but they'll soon be moving towards proper game-play type training where they'll be in close contact.
     
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  24. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    I’m not sure where I stand on this but surely this particular analogy is a poor one? The hairdresser very probably won’t have been tested for the virus. The players will have been.
     
  25. Simmos

    Simmos First Year Pro

    Presumably now that Watford have 3 confirmed cases of the virus you will retract your comments and apologise that you were wrong and Troy was correct. Or perhaps you still take the view that a footballer being paid £10k is more important than life and death
     
  26. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    Absolutely not. It shows that the precautions are working, that is the point of it all. Those Watford staff caught the virus BEFORE training started.
     
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  27. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    So if all the squad decided they'd prefer not to play for their own or their families safety we should just happily accept their rights to down tools and play the juniors ? What if they still felt "unsafe" at the start of the next season in the championship, just continue with any juniors prepared to play until a vaccine comes along ? I'm disapppointed that TD can't see a way to both keep his son safe and captain WFC, his club for the last 7 years or so. Hopefully there won't be others but the adverse impact on morale at the club shouldn't be underestimated.
     
  28. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    Some clubs started training a couple of weeks ago, yet Watford who are not due to start until next week, are the club with the most positive covid tests.

    Of course, the Premier League is built upon TV and sponsors money, it is why the players can collect £50k to £300k a week. Of course it is entertainment to us, but to the players it is the way they provide for themselves and their families. If we go down, it is estimated that WFC will lose £200m. This is an hour of need as far is our survival in the PM is concerned.

    Fair enough, Mr Deeney can opt out if he wants, but he is biting the hand that has fed him an amazing living for the past few years, and what will possibly provide his son with financial security for the rest of his life.
     
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  29. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Are the club at fault for allowing him to skip training as well? He's clearly stated that the club have agreed.
     
  30. Simmos

    Simmos First Year Pro

    Officially there are 33,000 people who have died from the virus. I suspect that the number is higher. That is the Vic filled to capacity and half again. If Watford want to put out an under 11 team in the Premier League I can care less. I am probably in the minority but I don't see how football is more important than the potential risk to life. I hope that our players do stand alongside Troy and refuse to play.

    I understand that a vaccine may never be available but lets try to see what can be done before rushing back and putting peoples lives unnecessarily at risk.
     
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  31. hornetgags

    hornetgags McMuff's lovechild

    I've read your post several times:

    "I don’t think he’s lying when he says he’s concerned, but neither do I think he’s the sharpest knife in the draw so I’m not entirely convinced he will have considered the risks logically, rather than as a knee-jerk emotional reaction."

    Not sure how you can defend this the way it reads, you think he's too stupid to know what you consider the right response is. He's too stupid to realise that if he spends weeks away from his newborn son then his son won't face the risk.

    So being an absent father to a newborn son who has breathing difficulties just so you can watch football is better than being a vigilant present father?

    To quote ZZ regarding being there in the club's hour of need, I'd rather he was there in his child's hour of need - family is everything and I pity the people who don't understand this...and there appear to be quite a few on here. What good is money in the bank if your son is in a coffin? You may think that's kneejerk, but who the hell are you to judge? I would expect the response to be...well he can have another son.

    It just highlights the attitude - I'm bored, I want football, this lot are paid handsomely to entertain me regardless of the risks and if they don't then they're selfish privileged feckers that deserve my scorn.

    I have family in Italy who have suffered and are suffering so it's something close to my heart and football is well down the list of priorities.

    Justify as much as you want, there are some people I expected to be like they are and some have genuinely disappointed me and gone down in my estimation.

    So like Burnsy, I'm done for the time being which is a pity as I was preparing to run a Werewolf game.

    Stay safe all of you but I'm done.
     
  32. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    People have to remember, with Covid-19......NOTHING HAS CHANGED. We've been in lockdown since March 13th. So if it's vital we were in lockdown at that point and nothing has changed, surely the same rules apply now?

    Of course the economy has to get going again, and to slowly and gradually get back to some type of normality has to come at some point. But football is as pastime, an entertainment, a sport. It's not a high priority.

    There are too many unknowns right now. Too many unanswered questions. How dare leagues across the world put people's lives at risk by asking them to come back to work. Football is a contact sport, you cannot segregate players. It's impossible.

    The problem is NOT with Deeney refusing to train, the problem is with the footballing authorities putting players in this position in the first place.

    Football should completely shutdown this season. Some countries have done this, while others are continuing or planning to continue. The UK is the worst hit country in Europe, surely that has to count for something? There were another 545 deaths yesterday, bringing the total to over 35,000. To give you an idea of that number, it's nearly double our average attendance!!.

    Why do the FA, EFL, EPL think it's ok to get going again? It's sheer madness. It's only because of money. If anyone dresses it up about anything else, they are lying. "To improve the mood of the nation". That's such a load of bull.

    You cannot play the rest of the season. Typically Watford are the worst hit club. Three employees affected including one player. Burnley are another. My heart sank when I heard it was Watford and Burnley, because that means f*ck all will be done. If it's an Arsenal coach or Chelsea player, then the league would be shutdown.

    Players now have to make a stand collectively. It's the only way to get the season stopped. The lawmakers are not going to void it. Either players make a stand or heaven forbid we have a death. I think it's going to take something monumental like that to get this season voided now.
     
  33. Simmos

    Simmos First Year Pro

    I am probably going to take it out of proportion but let us say Troy plays and Watford stay up. However Troy contracts the virus whilst playing and then passes it on to a member of his family who then passes away. Do you think that is fair?

    I am guessing you would be happy with that outcome but however unlikely this sequence of events are, it sits very uncomfortably with me.
     
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  34. Simmos

    Simmos First Year Pro

    Well said HB and Hornetgags. This really isn't the right time to be playing football.
     
  35. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    But you can't accept 'the economy' has to get going again and then in the same breath say football is wrong for being motivated to restart 'only because of money'. They're all parts of the same thing. It's over simplistic to write football off as just a 'pastime, an entertainment, a sport' when at the elite level it generates billions of pounds for the economy. In the most direct sense clubs are big employers and link to other organisations that are directly reliant on the game too - the media, hospitality and food/drink industries in particular no doubt employ tens of thousands of people off the back of football's success.

    Then you have the local economic impacts - football drives people to go to places and spend money where they wouldn't ordinarily go. Bury became a ghost town after their club was kicked out of the league last autumn. Who would go there or a lot of other places otherwise and fill the pubs and spend money in the corner shops and chippies? It gets people on trains and spending money they might not otherwise spend.

    Of course individual clubs are motivated by their own bottom line or what they have to gain (or lose if contractual obligations are broken). But despite that there are some solid argument in favour of restarting top level football rather than binning it off.
     

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