A club like ours? With our history? Is that really happening? And I thought this evening was **** already.
There's very little point in the sort of false bravado behind ignoring reality and evidence to come up with manufactured 'positive vibes.' Reality will happen, whether people accept it or not.
They said on the TV that Watford have lost, i think they said, 15 points from winning positions. And that was before today.
I'm sorry, but that is just rubbish. There are still 36 points to play for. The reality is that we are surrounded by struggling teams. Where is your evidence that the likes Norwich, Brighton, West Ham, Muff and Villa are better than us?
Well, I for one am sick of pathetic, weak second half displays. Pearson has had a real go at polishing this bunch of turds, but the same spineless, capitulating performances would put this out of any great manager's hands.
I still don't understand what this supposed equivalent behaviour is which you're accusing me of? I'm not allowed to criticise Deeney for seemingly reverting back to type because?...
While I agree with your broader point of wanting substantive evidence, recent weeks have shown that Villa and Brighton are better than us. They are outside the relegation places have taken points off us accordingly. That’s evidence of sorts.
Hardly a vintage performance today, but it's beyond frustrating that Mariappa scores a worldy of an own goal when we're leading 1-0 and Brighton really didn't look like scoring. Today's goal is nothing to do with ability or being out of your depth, because it's not acceptable for even a non-league defender to score own goals like today's. Simply a horrendous mistake to make. This season has been a crazy collation of poor VAR decisions and head-scratcher individual errors. In the last three games, we should have beaten Villa. We should have beaten Everton. We should have beaten Brighton. And yet instead of 9 points from those games, we have 1, in each game collapsing from a winning position (and in Brighton's case, scoring a goal for them that they otherwise didn't seem capable of delivering).
Someone related to Sarr being missing and you said ‘here we go again’ - you think after Deeney’s form can’t draw people to say the same to you when you criticise him? You aren’t immune from being wrong.
Mariappa wasn’t thinking. He just panicked as he always does because he is a significantly substandard defender for a Premier League team. Put him in the Championship and he’ll do the same. Unfortunately he is the kind of budget option out club relies on when it comes to defensive recruitment and now the club are going to pay the penalty for their idiotic, incompetent approach.
Yup. I have had words at previous matches ( including the promotion game) but this particular specimen looked like he would punch first and discuss the finer details later, so discretion got the better of valour.
I know you love Argies, but come on. Just because Welbeck can't defend doesn't detract from Pussetto being incapable of attacking. He appears to be another of the type of "defensive", but really just useless wingers our PL era has been dotted with. Maybe he'll have a dramatic improvement, but he has not looked up to it so far.
So you are basing it on two games, one which we lost the final kick of the game, and one of which we drew, and both were away from home? Blimey. If you want to base it on the 5 or 6 before those two, then we were about 2nd best in the league.
I was going to post something how we keep screwing up from advantageous positions, finding more inventive ways to torment the fans, but what's the f****ing point. I hate this season and can't wait for it's final conclusion. We're not good enough to stay in this league. We've been in the bottom three all season and deserve relegation. We've been sh1t from owners to players all season.
I’m not suggesting giving up. I haven’t (quite...). I am suggesting that he might want to consider the reality of how good we actually are/are not when making predictions.
Perhaps you should read the full exchange. My initial view was based on the improbability of any supporter bring that blindly optimistic after the past three games. He said we would “smash Liverpool”. Can’t you see why I might be sceptical?
The reason why I said "here we go again" about the Sarr thing was because I'd already made a (well received) post on here just the other day which gave some valid arguments against the point which was still being repeated. For what I'd just said about Deeney to be equivalent to that in the manner which you're trying to make out, then I'd have needed to have read some valid arguments previously pointing out why what I said may have been incorrect. However, I have not done so. Deeney going through a brief period of good form is not something which contradicts what I'd said today about Deeney having dropped back to how terribly he was playing for a long time before. I am well aware that I am not immune from being wrong, I'm not that other poster on here, and when I have been shown to be so then I do accept it. I often even accept it and highlight it even without it having been pointed out by others. You don't seem to have picked your battle over this with me especially wisely in this instance.
Our reality can be separated into 2 very distinct points: Point 1. We miss Sarr badly. Without him we are down. With him we survive. That’s what £40 million has paid for. Money well spent in my view. Point 2. Mariappa. That’s what £0 has paid for. Not just Mariappa and not just this year but the entire Pozzo term to date. Their recruitment is absolute garbage. I could purchase the same amount of players they have and be just as successful with 0% knowledge of the industry. That’s the reason we will be relegated.
Is the final kick of the game away from home part of the game or not? Didn’t realise we could discount those factors.
Whilst I respect you as fellow contributor, I’m more than happy to take you to task. You seem to have wet dreams of sorts about evidence and links though? Bit weird for a forum. I’m yet to really see once where you accepted being wrong about anything. Quick to criticise other and post links however.
Based on his phrasing I'm fairly sure it was a somewhat tongue in cheek comment (at least, that's how it read to me).
A troll on social media is someone who deliberately wants to upset others. If you get upset by someone being more positive than you are, then you need help. And he was obviously joking about "smashing Liverpool" Personally, I am amazed at how "supporters" have given up with so much still to play for. But they aren't "trolls", maybe just rather a little sad.
Yes, he admitted that and in response I revised my opinion, just regarding him as excessively optimistic. But he’s been so positive about absolutely everything that it wouldn’t be that surprising if he genuinely thought that.
It wasn't very difficult for me to find an example, from a couple of months ago. Here's a link: Craig Dawson As I said, I'm happy for people to try and take me to task, and counter points I've made, but rather it be when they actually have a valid, well explained reason for doing so.
That’s not my definition of trolling. To me, trolling is saying something one does not believe simply to elicit a response. Perhaps I am wrong in that, but that was what I was getting at. Given that he has been relentlessly optimistic about the past three games, and they have all turned out poorly, and is still optimistic after tonight, I was becoming sceptical that he actually meant it. But apparently he does. I’m not upset by it. I wish I could be that optimistic.
Well, this might help. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/premier-league/ Still predicted to finish outside the bottom three in mathematical modelling.
Our season can be summed up by my late afternoon/early evening. I drove to St Albans to meet a friend in The Goat. It was showing the rugby. As was every other pub in St Albans that had a tv,some achievement given the number of them available. Quite a few had two screens showing the England game,one three. Up and down we went until finally we decided to return to `The Goat and plead with the barmaid. The game was on when we reached the pub,on a small tv opposite the bar. Wandering around,up and down and when we got there we rather wished we hadn't. The players look paralysed by nerves,no wonder they're shot by an hour. Can someone tell me what has happened to Kiko? I thought he was due back a few weeks ago? This batch of four games,as someone said,is probably the death sentence but Pearson has had no room for manoeuvre and some of our 'big' players have hearts the size of a pea and a shrivelled one at that. Gutless some of them,we all know who they are. We all know AM is not up to it but some of that team have more ability in their little fingers than most of GT's teams had collectively,yet they pussy foot around and constantly make poor decisions and then look hurt. They will all leave and their agents will engineer moves to Torino or Monaco or Atalanta and they can use 25% of their talent there and be as rich as Croesus. Football is loathsome. When do we play next?
Well at least we will have Gray next year in the championship And if that thought doesn't make you want to give up on football nothing will
No, of course not, if you want to judge the teams based on those two results. Fill your boots. Personally, I prefer to take a more holistic view than that.
And here's another one, involving you in the summer, when based on a point you had made I admitted that I had used a "misleading" phrase: "I admit that looking at my wording again, the use of "sometimes" might be a bit misleading". Here's the link: Theoretical Summer Transfers
Perhaps he is but really he cannot be blamed. I have long been a fan of Gino but he is Giraldi's boss,so he is responsible. Leaders take responsibility.