It had completely passed me by, so I blitzed season one over the weekend and now I'm couple of episodes deep in season two. I’m completely hooked. You watch shows like prison break and think how far fetched they are, yet real life is in fact far more unbelievable.
I know, mad isn't it. Spoiler I follow Zellner on Twitter and she said they present arguments before a judge in early December to get an evidentiary hearing - the same judge who dimissed their original appeal, so that'll be interesting.
Spoiler It’s absolutely crazy. It’s like once they were convicted to just couldn’t be undone, nobody in authority is willing to even contemplate they didn’t do it despite the overwhelming evidence. I think Brendan’s situation is the worst because there is litteraly no evidence, and in fact the lack of evidence completely contradicts and undermines what he confessed to anyway. It’s crazy he is still he locked up on the basis of a coerced confession when without the confession it wouldn’t have even gone near a trial in the first place.
Spoiler Absolutely. The stupid thing is the Avery trial, the location of the murder was in Avery's bedroom, in the Dassey trial he was convicted of murder in the garage. How can you have two murder locations?
After watching S1, I felt that it was maybe 60-40 in his favor that he didn’t do it. With 30 minutes left in S2, I’d say that I’m 95% certain he didn’t do it. Spoiler The diary showing up at her house, with notes that were made during a testified phone call while she was in her car that afternoon is what tipped me over the edge. Plus the fact that throughout, it’s been the same 3-4 people who have their names and fingerprints all over the parts of the investigation that seem most suspect.
Spoiler The diary was huge, certainly puts Hillegas on the radar, and the eyewitness who reported Hallbach's car to Colbourne at the Cenex service station, which led to the plate check phone call from S1 the day before they 'discovered' it on Avery's yard - it makes sense. Both cases stink to high heaven.
Spoiler Even if Avery did it, I can’t see what evidence there actually is that can’t be completely discredited? No witnesses, obviously her bones were outside his trailer, but then her bones were in multiple places elsewhere so that’s evidence to the contrary, but really thats it. Everything else, the car, the bullet, are all completely discredited. It’s astounding that his conviction still stands, regardless of if he did it or not. It does make me wonder if the judge involved actually even read the 1000 odd pages that had been put together, as surely if they did like us the viewers surely they couldn’t have failed to agree that he is innocent? It wouldn’t surprise me if they simply didn’t read it. I like the way the lawyer withheld the evidence regarding Dassey’s brother and step dad. What an awful position to be in, but after the judge ignored her first attempt then she has no choice. As Avery himself said the evidence will lead where the eveidence will lead. Also, the point Zellner made about Dassey’s Lawyer failing to say why they needed two killers to convict Avery to the 7th circuit judges. Dassey’s legal team are obviously intelligent enough to know that, but I think they purposefully didn’t say that. I think their hands were tied to an extent with that question, for the judges with doubts they obviously feel both Dassey and Avery are guilty, so bringing Avery into the argument wouldn’t really help, it might have even have made it worse.
Good review from Lord of the Rings Peter Jackson: https://www.facebook.com/notes/peter-jackson/making-a-murderer-season-2/10156662268211558/
Just finished it. I'm doing a very good job not to Google anything about it. I got to the end of Episode 9 last night and honestly couldn't sleep. I feel like Steve's parents are close friends, like I've watched them grow old and suffered with them. I fear that the title may become literal because someone is going to unleash their own version of justice on someone if this carries on like this. It's a must-watch.
I had very similar thoughts, after I finished it I found myself imagining both of them still sitting there in prison after all this time, with little hope of ever getting out. And to see there parents grow old and their health deteriorate was heartbreaking. The whole thing beggars belief, if it was fiction nobody would believe it.
I've just been through series one of this, I'll be watching the first episode of series two tonight. Spoiler How the hell did they secure that conviction? Surely the DA and prosecution should have questioned the local police officers' actions? As for the nephew, talk about stitching up a teenager with learning difficulties.
I flew through that Spoiler In addition to what has been said on this thread before, it was also heartbreaking to see the county coroner, who'd been in that position for 17 years, was stonewalled from the case despite the county police being all over it. The poor lady had no option other than to resign 6 months later from her dream job. She wasn't even allowed to speak in court.
New developments since the second series was made https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/making-murderer-new-evidence-proves-13596263.amp
Almost done with S2 now; I was already aware of some of the developments (because, well, it's local news for me) but there was a lot I didn't know in there. I'm so f**king proud my wife and I voted for Josh Kaul. He won by a gnat's bollock hair in the end ( https://www.jsonline.com/story/news...ction-results-schimel-versus-kaul/1849068002/ ) and it might be the catalyst to finally make something happen. I've no idea how to start going about it, but I intend to try and speak to him directly and find out if this situation is on his radar. I don't know if Avery is guilty or not; what I do know is that the first trial was a bloody sham that raised dozens of questions and answered nothing, and I'm not confident they caught the right person. If that's the case, the real murderer is out there still and that potentially puts my wife and I at risk, not to mention my family and friends. Aside from Kaul, let us not forget that the dipstick-in-chief, Scott Walker, was also kicked out of the Governor's mansion (didn't vote for him either, because he's a bloody moron). That means there is a new Governor lined up who might be more inclined to offer a pardon. I shall also be trying to contact the Governor-Elect and bend his ear for 10 minutes, although I would say the chances of me actually talking to him are virtually zero (not that my chances of getting to the AG are likely much higher, but you have to try...). Also, f**k Ken Kratz. What an absolute ****stain that man is.
@Arakel even if Avery is guilty (although the evidence is heavily suggesting he's not) as you say he deserves a fair trial. As do the family of Teresa Halbach, although they never contributed to the second series surely the fact that 'someone' is locked up for it isn't enough? In Wisconsin does the "perverting the course of justice" offence exist? If so I'd like Kratz, Colburn and the ex-boyfriend (due to the day planner evidence) done for perverting the course of justice.
Wisconsin has "Obstruction of Justice". Max jail time is 9 months and a fine, but I don't know what the fine caps out at off the top of my head. I remember thinking it's pretty low all things considered. EDIT: looked it up, 10k. Small potatoes, really.
Ken Kratz is an odious vile creature of a man. I can’t remember where I read it, it could’ve been a news article or on his wiki page, but as well as his sexting he has had to have treatment for having a narcissistic personality disorder. How somebody like that could even get close to being in a position such as an AG is unbelievable. His bizarre obsession with Avery, his book, the constant stream of media interviews, the weird press conference at the 7th circle, they all highlight just how unhinged he is and how unsuitable he was to be in control of the case. Edit: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....n_kratz_has_been_diagnosed_with_narcissistic/ I mean how can anybody with those personality traits be a suitable AG?
Wisconsin Republicans are currently throwing a major tantrum over Evers and Kaul winning the governor/AG positions respectively, and so are trying to push through a 140+ page plan designed to strip powers from the governor and AG. One of the proposed changes is to take away the governor's power to approve the AG's actions and give it to the Republican controlled legislature, which will almost certainly have implications for Avery/Dassey's potential future appeals and the like. Transparent power grab go!
I finished the second series last night and could not believe the fact they are both still in prison. It is obvious that the courts are trying everything they can to save themselves and making their own situation worse. I am 99% sure they did not kill her. How can the trial of Avery be called fair when evidence was withheld and a coroner is told to not get involved? It stinks of a police cover up.
My personal opinion is Manitowoc and Calumet County will be bankrupt if both are exonerated. The $36m lawsuit from Avery's previous wrongful conviction will be trebled if you add in Dassey's acquital...so you've over 100m reasons for the convictions to be upheld.
I think there's a limit anyway. But you're probably not wrong, Dassey's case is a bit trickier considering the Chicago grand jury upheld the decision that his confession was not forced.
