Rich House Poor House - Channel 5 - Review

Discussion in 'Taylor's Tittle-Tattle - General Banter' started by Clive_ofthe_Kremlin, May 10, 2018.

  1. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I’m simply saying that the inverse is not true. It is a logical fallacy to simply say that wealthy people made their wealth as if no one else was involved and not to recognise it would be impossible without them.

    This is the argument for why the rich paying a big whack of tax is only what is due and ultimately in their interests to ensure a strong workforce and stable civil society.
     
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  2. PhilippineOrn

    PhilippineOrn First Team

    Hush man. If there's one thing I've learned from my years on this forum is if you pay poor people more money they will just waste it on gin and cigarettes.
     
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  3. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    There are an awful lot of completely unsubstantiated rumours flying about that Musk's "empire" is, financially, little more than a house of cards that's going to be collapse very shortly.
     
  4. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    The Tesla division is struggling hugely. Mass market auto production is brutal.

    Satellite division doing well.

    Whole thing looks overpriced to me. Top of the market frothiness, exaggerated by Musk’s status as a visionary.
     
  5. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    And lottery scratchcards.

    Don't forget the scratchcards.
     
  6. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

  7. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

  8. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Or both?
     
  9. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    We are living in a world where social division and wealth distribution is getting more uneven with every year. What I find disturbing is the greed and avarice of those with immense fortunes. They seem to want more and more not content with what they have while those that either work for them or are tossed aside in the name of corporate restructuring, downsizing and efficiency measures become poorer in relative terms.

    In some countries the wealth disparity is shocking. From metropolitan Russia compared to the rural areas, in India where one idiot builds a gleaming skyscraper to house himself and his family surrounded by squalid slums ditto for Guinea and many other nations. Even in the UK (and yes poverty is a relative term) we have areas where children have to be given second hand shoes, families have to rely on food banks while the elite get richer and richer. Do they have no social conscience ? Some do and good on them but it seems compared to the Victorian era where many of the new middle class did have a degree of social conscience looking after their workforce the current crop of the so called elite seem only content to gain more wealth. Either by avoiding paying their fair share of tax or moving their assets abroad.

    It is a case for moral repugnance where as in history any attempt to change the rules to create a fairer society lead to the elite pushing the leaders of a state to maintain the status quo. It should be a matter of shame that the poorest in society pay far more for their income as tax compared to many multimillionaires.

    And why do we glorify the rich ? It seems to be a trend inherited from America where it does not matter how you earned the wealth all that counts is how much you have. What defines the hard work ? Is it physical effort, value to society or mental aptitude. Society would collapse if those deemed unskilled decided to lay down their tools. Does it require real intelligence to simply play roulette on the stock market or invest funds into companies or new technologies ? Why don't cardiac or neurosurgeons get paid more than a banker whose greed continues unabated creating all sorts of economic bubbles failing to learn from histpry ? Or indeed nurses. Who is more important ? The emergency services ? Teachers ? A skilled craftsman/woman gets but a small cut of their product or indeed what about the scientists who make fundamental discoveries and create new technologies who still earn a relative pittance for doing so. Some of the more farsighted have in recent years set up their own firms to hold the patents rather than corporations, or workers and farmers co-operatives to market their products and earn the money than some fat cat directors in a remote organization selling the products at a profit while those who make them have to operate at a subsistence level.

    Some argue that these rich people work hard. Some do especially those that create their own business. But then you have those who pay themselves enormous salaries without any increase in productivity or work on their own behalf while demanding their workforce belt up and work harder than ever before. And even when the company they run fails to turn a profit or has made a loss there they are taking their wage, destroying their workforce numbers or taking the golden goodbye for making a **** up. The difference in pay between the top and bottom echelons is ridiculous today and of course it will lead to envy. But successive governments fail to do anything with regards to it merely wringing their hands or making weak statements about trying to have a word with the CEO's of these companies. This applies to all sorts of job areas as in the recent case of overpaid University Chancellors earning immense pay rises when staff and courses are being cut without any actual improvement in academic standards.

    I find it amazing people laud people like Hamilton, Branson and their ilk. They should be thoroughly ashamed of their tax avoidance. They were quite content to benefit from it growing up and should pay their fair share. But their greed is such that they cannot live on a few million a year coming up with pathetic excuses for not doing their bit. I just cannot understand the mindset of these people and their continuing search to accumulate more wealth. Philanthropy seems never to have crossed their minds.

    The bottom line is society is unfair and will be ever thus unless there is a fundamental change in politics and the mindset of the masses and a move away from rampant consumerism which is completely unsustainable for this planet.
     
  10. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    @Smudger, you make some fair points but I find it somewhat ironic that on a football forum, the profession you highlight as being unfairly overpaid is the banking industry.
     
  11. PhilippineOrn

    PhilippineOrn First Team

    Damm right. He should have outed pop singers too.
     
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  12. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Smudger, great post.

    Three points.

    Will society ever be fair under any system? Under most socialistic systems, patronage is the key. Top jobs allocated to the regime’s favourites. I can’t bring to mind an exception.

    There is a fundamental difference between someone who sets up their own business & an administrator who presides, temporarily, over an established organisation. The first entails career & financial risk, the second often plays in the favour of the political parasite.

    The grotesque self remuneration of big co ceos, enabled by the craven delinquency of many non execs, is a major failure of regulation.

    Finally, anyone who has an ISA avoiding tax. So was, in the old days, anyone who bought duty frees. All legal & fine.

    It’s up to politicians to set the tax framework.

    What we don’t have in the UK, is the engrained philantropic tradition commonly seen in America. If you make money there & don’t give to charity, you will soon be shunned.
     
  13. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    From the World's 2nd Greatest website (probably bollox but sounds completely feasible):

     
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  14. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I’m happy to believe it of anyone with that big an ego.
     
  15. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    I love you and hate you at the same time for introducing me to that website.
     
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  16. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    TBF, that webs(h)ite has been "outing" Weinstein's (and many, many more Hollywood bigshots') predatory sexual practices for years.
     
  17. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    I've been hooked since you originally posted a link to it many moons ago; used to think half the stuff must be nonsense as so outrageous (& awful in some cases, namely the beyond hideous alleged exploits of Bryan Singer, etc) - & yet, as you say, the site has been vindicated with all the stuff its been saying for years about Kevin Spacey, Weinstein, etc
     
  18. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    The Weinstein type of allegations are clearly quite awful, but they don't surprise me.

    What is quite disturbing to me about this website are the "revelations", usually about drugs of some sort, about celebrities that I had assumed were doing ok. Or those about celebrity couples that just seem to be in hideously bad relationships.
     
  19. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Tesla close to going bust.
     
  20. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Elon Musk in "utter pr1ck" non-shocka (DYSWIDT?).
     
  21. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    So bad he repeated the slur. I think he may be losing a few £ shortly.
     
  22. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    ...in addition to the billions lost already from his enterprises (illelgibly).

    I'm here all night.
     
  23. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Me too, I live in Ascot which in certain parts is a very wealthy area but I personally live in a three bed semi, not a mansion. I’ve had three or four letters from them so I guess they just pick wealthy areas in general and fire of letters to the whole place.

    What constitutes a “richie” though? I consider myself fortunate and that I earn a good salary, but I’d never consider myself “Rich”.

    A “richie” to me is somebody that lives in a big house, drives something like a Porsche or a Ferrari and wears a lot of designer clothes.
     
  24. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Is that a "Richie" or an "a-hole" ? Never understood why anyone would waste money on those other that to try to make sure others think they belong to the first category. Probably confirming they belong to the second category.
    Big house. Fair enough. Great investment. Great quality of life. That's where my money, to the extent I have money, goes.
     
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  25. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Yeah fair point. I suppose the point I was trying to make is I earn a decent salary compared to the National average, but my car is 10 years old, I don’t wear any designer clothes etc etc. Rich to me is somebody that can genuinely afford the things I mentioned, which I definitely can’t. I suppose it depends on what position you’re looking from.
     
  26. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    HMRC, I believe this was for your attention.
     
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  27. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Always salutary to factor in whether the goodies have actually been paid for.
     
  28. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    It certainly hasn't been developing the website.
     

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