Marco Silva Sacked

Kerb crawling w anker

 

IIRC he also had unrealistic expectations about remaining as Spurs manager in 1987 when the Sun reported he had been cautioned for kerb crawling

 

Certainly true of Flores.

"I have a done the minimum requirement in survival. Time for siesta. Amazing."

 

The Everton fans are even turning on him now.

Sounds like they're all up for another tapping up - this time Howe!

 

I like this post - it seems to fit well - when we would not let him go to Everton he switched off instead of being determined to show what he was really worth and making it impossible for us to keep him in the summer

 

We have a like button for a thread , we should also have a “what a ****” button (article not HeurelhoGomesBaby)

 

Indeed it isn't and neither did I say that.

 

So....

Most intelligent football observers have decided that in this instance we are not to blame for loosing another coach, Silva pretty much made his position untenable. You Never know this might lead a change in media attitudes toward us.

Only the uninformed idiots seem to think it was the wrong thing to do.

Yep the new guy is not experience in premier league , but at least he might give a ****

 

Stop Press! Fighting off fierce competition, Stan Collymore has managed to come up with the very worst take on the sacking.

Apparently, Silva will go to a Championship club and continental managers won't come to us anymore as they could go to a Villa, Wolves or Forest and become a hero. Oh, and most bafflingly, we were looking for an excuse to sack Silva and the poor form just gave us that

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/managing-watford-like-being-pop-11895292

 

Stan Collymore was always good at fighting. Ask Ulrika.....

 

“And soon managers will be saying, ‘Why would I go there? Why would I uproot my family from Spain or Portugal if I’m only going to get six months?”

Well Stan I guess one reason might be the couple of million they get paid per year, another reason would be the compensation they get if they are asked to leave and a third reason is that while watford are in the prem they are on the world stage.

Would I uproot my family and move for a couple of million to manage a team that play day-in day-out against the likes of Man City / United / Liverpool / Chelsea / Arsenal - I definatley would

Stan - you are a ****

 

Haha Stan is such a monumental b***end. He is so resentful that his “grand old” midland clubs are stuck in the championship.

 

Never forget, we are tinpot!

 

Don't worry I get through it! Cu soon!

nt

 

Reading this article it’s fairly obvious what happened:

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ford-this-gifted-coach-is-his-own-worst-enemy

I think the players being distracted is a bit of a red herring and only a very small part of it. This article suggests he pays huge attention to detail, he spends time walking through situations in training, does a lot of work studying the opposition and looking at tiny details like their throw ins.

Can anybody say they saw any evidence of that over the past few months? I’d say the opposite was true, we seemed to completely ignore the opposition and make no allowances for them at all. If you look at a game like Newcastle, we were totally dominant and totally nullified them, likewise Bournemouth and Southampton also spring to mind. It seems pretty obvious now that he’d prepared meticulously for those games hence why we were so effective and the opposition so ineffective.

Post Everton he probably gave up on all the preparation, he just picked a team and formation, gave a few motivational words in the dressing room and sent them out. It’s those extra details and fine margins that make all the difference at this level.

 

I agree. I like (and have always liked) Dyche's managerial capabilities. I lamented his sacking and thought we missed a trick. But he is, of course, very much in the Graham Taylor mold - a setter of ethos, modus operandi and overall overseer. The Pozzos did not want that kind of manager. They wanted a football coach, pure and simple, who follows a coherent plan set by the Pozzos. We may not have fully understood that at the time, let alone agreed with it. But they had bought the club and bailed it out and knew what they were doing. Still a bit of a shame, though.

 

Lol so the new manager isn't continental then. What a tool that bloke is.

 

I think Stan will be showing at a secluded car park soon. Torches and snacks optional.

 

He’s got this laminated in his Range Rover:
http://www.doggingdirect.com/dogging-etiquette.aspx

 

Pop Idol? The TV show from 2001 to 2003? He's as out of touch with entertainment as he is modern football

 

At the time, I was delighted that the club chose to tell Everton to sod off. But taking the emotion out of the situation, and with the benefit of hindsight, have we sacrificed a large part of the season on a matter of principle? In other words, if we had let Silva go as soon as it became clear he’d lost his WFC mojo and swiftly replaced him 10 matches ago would we have achieved a higher points total than we currently have? I think the answer is probably yes and, as we know, it is results that dictate Pozzo's HR policy

 

Such stunning new levels of ignorance and vitriol from Collymore. What I’m seeing in him and Martin Samuel is just how ill-informed you sound when you’re a foamey-mouthed prejudiced, tabloid-whore-dinosaur pandering to a like-minded crowd of idiots too entrenched to accept any real change at all.

 

John Motson thinks we made the right call on Silva
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05vmtsp

 

I suppose the question is when did it become obvious that he had lost his mojo, perhaps it was a case of hanging on and hoping he would do enough to survive and keep his own reputation intact,
But I do think this move has been prepared for quite a while ago and they were waiting for the right moment
It will be a quick transition of manager causing as little disruption as possible.
I really do think this was handled very well and will change coaches as smoothly as can be expected with no caretaker manager or limbo situation

 

I keep reading what a good manager Marco Silva is, but you’ve got to ask, where is the evidence for this, certainly in England?

Yes, he did have a good track record overseas and this is what brought him to England, but after an initial resurgence, Hull imploded spectacularly (luckily for us), with three horrendous defeats at the end of last season, just when safety was within touching distance. They lost 1-4 at Palace, 0-2 at home to already relegated Sunderland and 1-7 at home to Spurs!!

The same thing happened at Watford. He got off to a good start, but it was only the away form that was eye-catching. At home Watford were average at best, and very often poor, even in those early days.

At the moment when Watford were riding high, he believed in his own hype and felt he’d already earned the right to dump his current employer when a club further up the evolutionary ladder came calling, after just 9 games!! That beggars belief.

So, after a good start, he was taking Watford firmly in a downward direction. 11 points and 11 defeats from 16 matches (nearly half a season), is enough to see any coach lose his job, not just at Watford.

He leaves a record of 7 wins 5 draws and 12 defeats from his 24 games. So he lost 50% of games.

Seriously, would a top quality coach really have a record like that, or a run of results as he did at the end?

I think some sort of myth has been built up around him, based on how he deals with the media. I must admit I find him very personable and he deals with the press extremely well.

But it’s not all about press interviews. A good coach has to know how to handle situations. Regarding to injuries, the squad players he’s been using are not that great, but they are not useless either. Even average players can be useful if they are well drilled, know their jobs and play within their limitations.

When you are struggling a little, the team needs to be resolute and organised. These are not attractive words, but they are vital ingredients in any side. Maybe it wasn’t fashionable enough for Silva, as he wanted to see attacking wing play and a high energy midfield. There’s nothing wrong with that, but that cannot be your only idea.

As soon as Chalobah got injured, a different playing method needed to be found. You could not play this high-energy triangle with only two components. It needed all three, in Cleverley, Doucoure and Chalobah or else it doesn’t work. Playing Watson or Capoue in this role is like putting sand in your gearbox.

He was far too soft on defence. Allowing wingbacks to wander forward without responsibility. He trusted zonal marking which further impacted defensive resistance.

Watford were/are far too easy to open up and score against. This is not a new problem, as it blighted previous seasons, so a remedy should have been priority number one. Make yourself hard to score against, then the rest is so much easier.

You have to have more than one tactic and you have to be adaptable. Silva showed none of these traits. He would play one up front and only switched under extreme circumstances, such as half time against Southampton.

So I ask, is Silva the real deal? I think he has a lot of qualities, but he’s at the stage where he’s learning. He’s not the finished article yet, nowhere near. Silva’s failure to appreciate being at a good progressive club and learning his trade has derailed him. Basically his ego tripped him up.

 

No!

 

I thought it was worth seeing when we last had such a bad run (5 points in 11 games)

It was, perhaps not surprisingly Aidy Boothroyd - 11 years ago (just 3 points). Although I think it's fair to say he had really tough run of games (with a weaker squad). Liverpool twice, Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea (where Villa good back then?)



Before then, we have to go back to Glenn Roeder 24 years ago, at least we didn't lose to Luton at the end...



This really was a horrible run of of form, made worse by the fact most of the games were against the weaker teams in the division.

The quiz question is though who only managed 1 point (and over a 13 games)

 

Slightly ambiguous - but I meant Silva had the horrible run of form, not Glenn Roeder (although he did too obviously!)

 

I have this theory that Silva (& his agent) went angling & engineered it to get sacked, so he could move on swiftly + take the guaranteed compo with him. Especially when it was made clear he wasn't going to get Slimani in the January window. If you think about it,not as outlandish as it might first seem.

Totally unemotional & dead beat in the post match interview & starting team selection & formation was questionable. He was not happy here & was faced with a relegation threatened & injured team.

If his head got turned again by another club he knew he would most likely want to take it & the fans really would turn, so the 'getting sacked approach' was by far the lesser of the two evils.

As much as It disturbs me to say, I personally don't think MS was in the least bit concerned to get his P45 on Sunday.

 

This bit goes against the media stories that he was 'shocked' when he was told yesterday though. Some of the stories that several media outlets have published in the past 24hrs are quite libellous if they aren't true - especially the one that suggests that Silva and his agent had even agreed terms with Everton. If that is true and the press know about it, you can be sure that Gino does. That to me would say that your theory is pretty unlikely as I would bet Silva will have informed that we know all about what has gone on, so clear your desk and forget about any compensation.

If the above is proven to have foundation, I really don't see how we can't have reported Everton to The FA and/or PL. I'd also be suing Everton and Silva if I was Gino....

I would say that the above piece of information that came out is definitely the most damning and disturbing to me. If it is a piece of information that has only come to light recently, I would think that this has to be the straw that broke the camels back and proved that Silva was completely unfocused on the job at hand. Gino probably wanted to give Silva the chance to get back on board with the project but every little bit of information was counting against Silva, with very little info coming out that was working in his favour. I think Gino genuinely wanted to believe he could get Silva to sign back up to the 'project' he was sold the job on - but was finally convinced that Silva was going to leave at the end of the season regardless and Gino thought throwing him under the bus was the best way for this club to show some fight against our 'reputation' when it comes to managers. No thank you's, no good-luck message....clear your locker out and security will see you off the premises.

I think Silva probably thought he was being clever, successfully secretive about his intentions and doing a good job of keeping his cards close to his chest - but ultimately it has backfired on him spectacularly. I still expect him to get the Everton job in the summer and his reputation won't be harmed beyond the end of this week given the low moral standards to which most clubs operate these days. The first PL job that becomes available, he'll be the favourite, I have no doubts at all about that. He just needs to hope that club has a reckless owner who will employ him with wanting a reference from Gino.

I think we haven't heard the end of this in one way or another though. I still expect some sort of legal action either towards Everton from Gino or towards us from Silva. I just hope there is proof of his clandestine affairs with Everton...

Nearly 48hrs on from all this, I still feel a certain sense of dejection. It could all have been so different and I do think the club is taking a step into the unknown with the new manager, however much some people are claiming that its a measured risk. But I very much appreciate it was something that HAD to happen.

 

This is largely accurate. Silva was very good at attacking football. But even when we were winning and getting accolades there was a question mark. We got a last minute equaliser at west brom who were poor but still managed 2 goals. We relied on the last minute goals and whilst we thought it highlighted the never say die attitude of the team, in hindsight it highlighted that we couldn't win in comfort because of our Achilles heel.

His formation somewhat sacrifices the centre forwards goalscoring chances which has highlighted grays lack of clinicality. He's a chequebook manager and he was early on critical of the board who gave him the job and spent money improving the squad. Like a 5 year old getting expensive birthday presents yet having a sulk because there's he didn't get everything he wanted.

And it was just weeks into the season when hes courting Everton.

I wanted him to stay at that point as most did. But I wanted him to knuckle down and prove he was committed, show us through the teams attitude that he cared, that he had bought in. Instead I see lackadaisical performances, error strewn performances and a breakdown of trust from every direction.

He was Watford manager in name, he was never a "Watford manager".

God knows what the new guy will bring!