Best Keeper

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by pleaseenterthenamebywh, Feb 6, 2021.

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Better Goalkeeper

  1. 03/04 Lenny Pidgeley

    1 vote(s)
    2.1%
  2. 10/12 Scott Loach

    7 vote(s)
    14.9%
  3. The Stoke Reject Bachmann

    39 vote(s)
    83.0%
  1. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    I think Foster would have been a lot more positive with Derby's corners yesterday, but I think there's also a decent chance he would have come for one and misjudged it
     
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  2. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Bachmann looked very vulnerable to crosses last night. Scared to come off his line and when he did, he did it with no conviction or authority. Foster makes the odd slip up but dominates his box and gives the CBs support and confidence.
    Maybe Bachmann will gain that confidence and dominate his area in the same way but we ain’t seen nothing yet.
     
  3. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Looked very similar at home to Tranmere last season. Hope Foster is back soon.
     
  4. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    For some odd reason when I see this thread on the "New Posts" list, I keep misreading it as Beekeeper and I am mildly disappointed that I have no information about honey.
     
  5. foxywfc

    foxywfc Reservist

    Bachman flapped the first time under pressure against derby and never really recovered. Got to say some of those corners derby whipped in we’re really good. Bachman will be relieved with the disallowed goal and will learn. His distribution was a lot better too.


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  6. ITK platypus

    ITK platypus Squad Player

    Hear we come !!!
     
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  7. LaClusazSki

    LaClusazSki Reservist

    Bachmann career has been filled with him flapping at crosses. He knows it is his weakness. It will not change. As with the Derby game, he flapped at the first cross and his confidence was shot. He did not want to come off his line. He was very lucky on Friday night. Ok, it was an own goal, but could Bachmann have done better? Needs to more dominant in the box, but it is his achilles heel.
    Scott Loach, l remember the game against QPR at home when even the home fans were shouting "shoot" when QPR had the ball. Loach had zero confidence at the end of time at Watford and it has been a downward spiral for him since then.
    Foster maybe more interested in his YouTube channel, but he should return to the line up asap.
     
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  8. LaClusazSki

    LaClusazSki Reservist

    Bachmann has issues with any ball crossed or a corner. It has been a problem for him throughout his career. Watch him and you will see that after he failed to deal with their first corner his confidence was shot. He does not like to come out further than the 6 yd box. He is not comfortable with that part of his game. It will not change, he will not get better at dealing with it.
    Who can remember a young David James coming out for any ball floated into the 18yd box? Sometimes he caught it one handed or with both hands and at other times it sailed right over him for the opposition to have a chance to score. Catch it or miss it, he didn't let it bother him. Fun times as a fan.
    I agree, Foster seems distracted by his outside interests, but l think he would have dealt the the aerial ball in a better way. Ok, his footwork is getting slower, but Foster is still our No1 keeper.
     
  9. foxywfc

    foxywfc Reservist

    DJ was an excellent shot stopper but he got the name calamity for a reason. DJ’s distribution was decent but back before the sweeper keeper was really a thing. Alex chamberlain too he wasn’t to comfortable coming for crosses.


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  10. Chiswell

    Chiswell Academy Graduate

    Scott Loach, now there's a name to conjure with. I remember Malky defending him saying "There's a reason why he's keeper for England U-21". We laughed and even Malky smiled when we said "There's no-one else!" I have never seen a Watford keeper let in so many long shots from outside the penalty area. He just never used his feet to move across, just stayed planted to the ground and dived despairingly.
     
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  11. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Agreed. He let some absolutely bizarre goals in. Never understood what the hype was about.
     
  12. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

    I fully agree about Bachmann's lack of ability to claim crosses, and I would put Foster as a marginally better shot stopper but I value what Bachmann is able to that Foster cannot / will not do now.

    Bachmann's more comfortable taking the ball with his feet and accurate distribution from foot both on the floor and drop kicking meaning we don't give the ball away as cheaply as we were which with our new style of play carries more importance when starting faster moves or keeping the ball under pressure. Not only that, his handling is significantly better partly because his footwork is better which was critical in our game v Coventry where he held everything, multiple times the ball bobbling just in front of him with a striker bearing down on him. I don't feel Foster would have held them and we would have lost the game because of it. Lastly Bachmann seems to be a lot more vocal when ordering the team around out of his box. It could be his voice is simply louder and carries further than Foster's but combined with his better footwork it does seem to make a difference I think.

    Foster is someone we should be looking at replacing. Whether it's with Bachmann or Dahlberg it's hard to say but I personally don't want Foster as a starting keeper next Season as he's already regressed significantly compared to a year ago and was beginning to regularly cost us points when he was dropped. I would rather Dahlberg started next year regardless of division with Bachmann as his deputy and Elliott 3rd choice. Good blend of age and experience.
     
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2021
  13. LaClusazSki

    LaClusazSki Reservist

    Some valid observations. I will admit Foster concerns me when the ball is at his feet.
    Thanks. Good points
     
  14. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

    Really good fan interview with him, directly addresses Derby's crossing as well. Feels Derby's crossing is unusually dangerous but I still agree with your point of his inability to claim crosses far from his line. Think my point on his more vocal presence is validated as he really makes a point of how it's a cornerstone of his style.

     
  15. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

  16. LaClusazSki

    LaClusazSki Reservist

    Bachmann did not come out to stop the ball over top for the Bournemouth goal. Beaten far too easily at the near post while he stood rooted on his line.
    See previous comments on this thread about staying on his line.
    Then again, it was our free kick to begin with.
     
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  17. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

  18. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    Yeah - because it sounds like 'Calamity Jane' . Same school of journalism as produced 'Luther Missit'. Both wrong.
     
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  19. Cude>2<

    Cude>2< First Team Captain

    If Foster doesn't want to be 3rd choice, I'd like us to get Tommaso Berni in instead. Just for a laugh.
     
  20. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    Berni Inn! (One for the youngsters there.)
     
  21. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Prefer Bernie Winters.
     
  22. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Disappointing with the goal yesterday. Rooted to goal line yet again. Could have easily claimed the cross but forced the CB to play it. Watch Serialta signal to him after the goal was scored that he should have come and claimed it. Get Foster back ASAP.
     
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  23. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    There is absolutely no chance any goalkeeper would have got the ball from that cross:

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    To blame Bachmann for that is absurd.

    Sierralta looked to be telling Bachmann to hurry up and get the ball back for kick-off as opposed to blaming him.
     
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  24. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    ....except that's not where Sierralta touches the ball. He's practically on the 6 yard line by the time he reaches the ball and has had to slide a long way to get back to it. The cross wasn't hit hard and there were no forwards between Bachmann and the ball. I reckon the keeper shouldn't have been so deep initially, could have got to it, and that that is what S is pointing out afterwards. I've just stopped work to go back and re-watch it and re-confirm my original view.
     
  25. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

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    You feel the keeper should be out here to get the ball?

    I actually can't believe anyone can watch that cross and think the keeper should be getting the ball. Baffling.
     
  26. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Where is "here"?
    Yours is a misleading picture. Sierralta hasn't reached the ball yet. He slides and reaches and touches the ball when it's almost on the 6 yard line. The keeper isn't coming out and the striker taps it in if S doesn't try and intercept.
    See the 2 photos below. Look where the cross came from, where the keeper is when the cross is made, and how close he is to where S ends up actually reaching the ball, but has barely moved. I think Bachmann should have dived and snaffled that.
    I actually can't believe anyone can watch that cross and think the keeper should be staying by his goal line and leaving that ball to the CD. Baffling.
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  27. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    If he was to have an aggressive position to come and gather that he would have left his front post open. Any keeper doing that doesn't understand the basics of goalkeeping.

    But we can agree to disagree seeing as we clearly won't be budging on our opinions!
     
  28. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    It's much closer to him than the CB and forward as shown in the pics, he'd have got to the ball first. Any competent keeper would recognise its a safer option for him to dive and gather rather than leave a CB to slide at speed and attempt to play it directly in front of goal. To me it's just another example of Bachmann's timid nature and reluctance to leave the safety of his line.
    But yes let's just agree to disagree.
     
  29. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    But the CB and the striker were already running, the keeper would have had to get there first from a standing start. At the point the ball left the crosser's foot Bachmann is in the right place, any further forward and the goal is unprotected from a speculative shot or sliced cross. Bachmann was never going to intercept it before Sierralta.
     
  30. Leetanner

    Leetanner Academy Graduate

    Bachman making too many little mistakes cant give confidence to the back four great as a back up but get foster in straight after international break need his experience
     
  31. Leetanner

    Leetanner Academy Graduate

    Bachman should of come out then Serrialta would of shielded him from the striker but unfortunately he likes to stay on his line like bouremouth his starting positions are terrible
     
  32. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    One step, and a dive, and he was there.
     
  33. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    Maybe we should have put Jonathan Edwards in goal.
     
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  34. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    If he is making the back 4 nervous, they're certainly not showing it. 8 goals conceded in Bachmann's 14 appearances. 8 clean sheets.

    There's things he needs to work on, but I think it's silly to mess around with a winning formula.
     
  35. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    They’ve both got pros and cons. Undoubtedly Foster has the greater talent but he’s at the end of his career and prone to lapses of concentration. Bachman is prone to the odd mistake through lack of confidence/more limited ability. I think you always feel a bit more comfortable with the keeper that is prone to mistakes through lack of concentration, because you never know when it’s coming and never expect it when it does. For the keeper that is more prone to mistakes through less ability/confidence you’re always half expecting it to happen at any moment, so a bit more stressful as a fan. Overall net/net the outcome is probably the same in terms of what we get overall from each keeper, Bachman just maybe doesn’t inspire as much confidence as foster would.
     

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