Xisco Munoz

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  1. Cude>2<

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    This guy seems too happy. Personally, someone with similar experience to him but who's a right miserable git. It's easier to hate them then.
     
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    They were success's, not cult hero's.
     
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    They are cult heros to me. Better than your snowflake losers. A couple of useless dwarves and Mr Penalty.
     
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    Judging by their performance noone told them either.
     
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    Is I.Success a success?
     
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    Aren't you also the one who loves Gray? Or is that someone else?
     
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    They love Deeney
     
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    MFW we've apparently reached the point of being 'unrealistic' if we were expecting any manager/coach to come in with more experience or prestige than 11 games in UEFA's 40th-ranked league to spearhead our expected automatic promotion charge.

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    You really do say some odd things at times. And have an obsession with calling people snowflakes in the wrong context.

    For someone who took exception yesterday because someone called you names (I didn’t) when they haven’t even met you, you don’t half like engaging in such behaviour yourself!
     
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    The more I think about it, the more ridiculous this appointment is. Accepting that I was in the minority wanting Ivic to stay and at least see if he could do anything different with Hughes back in the team, at least he was a credible candidate for the role.

    Other than presumably being on an absolute pittance, what on earth have they seen in this guy? You can't tell me that Gino and Scott spend all their spare time watching the Georgian Premier League or whatever it's called. And even if they did, this guy's only been in it for three months and eleven games.

    He has never played nor worked in England before. He has literally no coaching pedigree at all and is basically a competition winner.

    I can only presume that our finances are even worse than previously thought, after we failed to shift Gray, Deeney, Capoue and we are utterly potless, same reason we couldn't find a single left back anywhere in the world when we had 50 days between Masina's injury and the window slamming shut.

    This is a ******* joke and people should be up in arms about it, not saying "well he does like to play attacking, high tempo football based on a puff piece about his 11 games in charge of some tinpot team in the tinpottiest league and he smiles, so he's an improvement on Ivic".

    Pozzo is taking the piss out of all of us.
     
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    It's the usual in one respect - attacking coach replaces defensive coach, lovely fella replaces miserable git. At Watford these policy reverses are usually made without any reference to the make-up of the squad, but this time we might have found somebody more compatible with the qualities of our players..Let's hope ....
     
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    Who knows what will happen,we are all united ( I hope! ) in wishing Xisco well.
    Sport,like most workplaces is hierarchical.
    The players will respect the coach if he is a) a proven winner as a coach or b) he is a good, better player than they are ( enormous egos notwithstanding!)

    Xisco has virtually no coaching pedigree but as many have stated everyone has to start somewhere.

    My greatest fear is that the player power/ toxicity has reached such levels that it obliterates the poor bloke before he has a chance. However if this is the case I'm not sure who we could bring in that certain individuals wouldn't make mincemeat of.
     
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    On paper it is possibly the worst appointment Watford have made in a long time.
     
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    On the face of it, this appointment looks like some kind of practical joke. The argument of 'everyone has to start somewhere' holds very little water, because that 'somewhere' is very rarely Championship teams with the stated aim of automatic promotion, halfway through a season. Even a legend (ary asshole) like Giggs couldn't get a job out of nowhere in the Championship, partially because he supposedly couldn't interview well or present a compelling case for how he'd elevate a team to promotion.

    Equally, talk about working under Benitez is laughable/irrelevant, because he worked under him as a player almost two decades ago - it has no direct relevance to his own skill in management.

    We are of course all wishing him well, because he has to do well or none of us get what we want. But using all the available evidence at present, there is literally nothing that suggests he is likely to do well, and no reason we should expect him to. If it goes anything other than blindingly, shockingly, unimaginably well, it will almost immediately morph into a joke of the footballing world and a large puzzle piece in the overall jigsaw 'The downfall of the Pozzo (2020)'.

    I don't know what I'm saying really, other than that I'm hoping we can view this with common sense and not jingoism, and that we should bloody well sign Dwight Gayle on loan.
     
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    I think some are up in arms about it, and they're more than entitled to be. I'll be joining them if he flops, but I'm waiting to see how he gets on first. But yes, on the face of it it's utterly mental.

    I remember reading that the Pozzo family have Head Coach scouts, and are constantly looking for coaches with potential. I don't know what it is that flagged Munoz up in his short career but it must have been good, especially in such a vital season! I also think it's likely that Gino looked for the opposite of Ivic, and found a positive coach with an attacking philosophy, who will be somewhat of a yes man.
     
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    Yes, I remember reading that too but don't believe it to be honest.

    Also, don't get me wrong, I'm criticising the appointment. I'll judge Muñoz on what he does when he starts work.
     
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    Quite literally backwards on occasion.
     
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    I’d say about 99% of posts in the last 72hrs would suggest otherwise......
    Surely if he does well, the COGS will be proved right and Gino is the messiah?
    True bedwetters must be hoping for him to crash and burn and thus put more pressure on the Pozzos to go?
     
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    I am not going to lie I am not happy about the appointment but I do disagree that the fact that he is more positive and engaging is not an important quality, our players clearly didn't like Ivic and wasn't playing for him. I think the club is crying out for a more positive character and maybe the players will respond better to Xisco than they did Vlad.
    In my opinion Ivic over complicated managing at this level and would probably still be Watford manager if he wasn't so insistent on possession football. I think everyone but Ivic could see that his approach was the complete opposite to what we needed to do.
     
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    So do I !
     
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    Seems like an alternative version of Zola, but with a fraction of the experience.

    Hopefully we’ll have some entertaining games, but hard to see how, like Zola, that turns into consistently winning football.
     
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    He can't. Lost them down the back of that infamous red sofa. Too many half eaten takeaway boxes stuffed under the cushions to bother about now.
     
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    Wasn't he effectively the manager when they won the league the year before but was still doing the appropriate coaching badges so couldn't be officially named as manager?
     
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    I hope he loses his first 5 games and get sacked before the end of January.
     
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    Virtually every club will do this now anyway. It's nothing new. I would imagine what flagged him up was the fact that he was free, will only have to pay one lump compensation on him, when he is sacked
     
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    At least we have better options for getting him a chant.

    Personally I favour X-I-S-C-O
     
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    How will we pronounce the first letter?
     
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    You can literally imagine Deeney putting his foot through the ball every time it comes near him in training.
     
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    I'd like to try and think of something around his popular nickname 'The Kid.'
     
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    You're kidding?
     
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    Honestly kid, I'll give more than I get.
    I just haven't met you yet.
     
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    Talking of jokes, we have made the big time and got our own festive panel in this week's David Squires cartoon. Yay.

    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...istmas-football-films-and-virulent-kickabouts
     
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