Who Stays And Who Goes?

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Hogg-DEENEY!!!, Feb 9, 2020.

  1. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Based on our record with knee injuries he'll have a set back and be out for even longer or come back half fit like Troy .
     
  2. Neither has been given a run in the team so I don't think we can say either way
     
  3. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Depends on whether the owners believe we can bounce-back.
    I think Pererya, Doucoure and Delia are the only 'dead certs' to leave. Hughes, Capoue and Suarez are probable. As others have pointed out, will they let Sarr go on the cheap? He must have a few years left on his contract? Maybe I'm clutching at straws.
     
  4. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    Probably because neither of them, particularly Quina, have been given any sort of a chance to provide any evidence.

    Also see Pussetto, Pedro, Penaranda.
     
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  5. We hate 48

    We hate 48 Reservist

    Takes money sent to Udinese since being in PL to £33m
     
  6. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    Love Pozzo. Legend.

    That being said, I actually think Pussetto has something to offer. Unfortunately Pearson/Giraldi/Pozzo or whatever c**t actually picks the team seemingly only has 11 players they're prepared to use unless there's injuries.
     
  7. If we end up with a manager willing to experiment with youth there are some interesting 433 4231 formation combinations worth trying from Capoue, Chalobah, Dele Bashiru, Quina, Whelan, Pendaranda, Pussetto, Sema, Pedro, Suarez, Cucho, Cassidy, Lo Everton, Dalby... the defensive options need a lot of work though

    Pussetto Penaranda Pedro
    ...............Suarez.................

    might be interesting

    (assumes Hughes, Sarr, Del, Doucs, Pereyra, Welbeck leave in a £100M fire sale, and someone has the balls not to rebuild around chubby)
     
  8. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    That's 1 game.
     
  9. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    The team deteriorated for the last 3 years yet last season was the most successful ever
     
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  10. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Nobody has played Quina or Peneranda very much but they’ve all seen them in training.
     
  11. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    And we've all seen the repeat, gutless, useless matchday performances from the usual suspects that they could potentially replace. It's a subject we could go around and around on, but no one will ever convince me that we are doing the right thing by refusing to try new things/players and persisting with players who are proven, consistent failures and awful performers in actual competitive matches.
     
  12. hornetgags

    hornetgags McMuff's lovechild

  13. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    You mean Giraldi has.
     
  14. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    I agree that we need to change things but the fact nobody picks would concern me. Pedro, albeit in a different position seems to be making his way in to the reckoning. Sadly full backs we seem to be struggling but I would play Holebas over Masina who I think is bobbins.
     
  15. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    How stays and who goes?

    It all depends on which league we'll be in next season.

    Premier League:
    The squad we have now, plus new central striker, 2 x central defenders, back up keeper, Estupinan, Suarez & Cucho.
    To lose Pereyra, Gray, Sinclair, Success, Cleverley, Mariappa, Gomes, Holebas

    Championship:
    Squad we have now minus Deulofeu, Pererya, Sarr, Doucoure, Hughes, Suarez, Estupinan. I think we'll retain the rest though, including Cucho, Welbeck and Capoue.
     
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  16. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    That is 4 times I have heard pundits criticising our full backs.

    I wonder if the powers that be at our club agree ?

    Otherwise we'll be in the same mess next season unless there is improvement in that area and defence generally.
     
  17. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    I absolutely can’t stand your views and you have made quite clear what you think of me. Your views on the club are obviously wrong, but shall we save time by not going at it again?
     
  18. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    Haha Jumbolina having them "if you don't agree with me then you're wrong" moments again. :D
     
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  19. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    Not sure who would buy Hughes tbh. He's been efficient enough for us but we are a poor side. He can't go past a player, not pacey, and he can't shoot.
    Maybe Brighton might give him a chance or whoever survives might want him at a guess but struggling to see who else would tbh.
     
  20. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Absolutely, nobody wants to read the usual rubbish you put on here but I’m sure you’ll repeat again. By the way I have never stated my views are correct, they are my views which is an opinion. I don’t tell people what to think like you seem to but hey ho let’s leave it there
     
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  21. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Sounds good. The “rubbish” was correct though my happy friend.
     
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  22. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    I know it hurts that me, Nath, GD and Moog were correct but ultimately you have to suck it up.
     
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  23. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    Why has no one mentioned Janmaat?
     
  24. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    I think most have forgotten his existence.

    Shame because he's a very decent player when fit. Certainly miles ahead of shambolic Femenia.
     
  25. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    TBF there is nothing wrong with either of them if the forward line is firing.
    Which it isn't .
     
  26. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    Nothing wrong with Janmaat. Bucket loads wrong with Femenia. An absolute embarrassment of a "defender".
     
  27. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    There's one thing wrong with Janmaat.
    He's never fit.
     
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  28. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    Touché.
     
  29. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    I think you may be a tad harsh on Femenia.
    Today's full back is the attacking width or the new box
    to box midfielder. If Kiko could defend as well as he attacked
    then possibly he would be at a much more successful club than
    us . For example Trent A-A defensive mistakes are generally overlooked
    as his and his team's attacking play outweigh the defensive mistakes.
     
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  30. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    Sorry, no.

    He's absolutely horrendous. His "defending" is literally disgraceful. It's not just for stand-out, one off mistakes, it's his complete and utter lack of any positional sense, his inability to tackle and his deplorable lack of bravery. And what is this laughable fallacy I've seen thrown around recently about him being "decent" going forward? What is this based on exactly? He offers nothing going forward. His crossing and decision making is appalling and he doesn't pop up with goals like Janmaat.

    Our fans truly are on a different planet. The desperation to find an excuse for every player no matter how excrutiatingly bad they are is genuinely just weird.
     
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  31. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    You are entitled to your opinion but I have to disagree with you .

    If we had a striker who scored 15 goals this season then we would
    not be discussing full backs?

    However your points about his technical ability etc are valid
     
  32. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Of course we would.
     
  33. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    Why wouldn't we? In what way would having a striker scoring 15 goals change Femenia's complete lack of ability to defend or offer anything to the team?

    It might mean we were in a better position in the league, but it wouldn't change the fact that Femenia is still an absolute dog turd of a defender and footballer.
     
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  34. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    Because as I have already said Trent A-A defensive foibles are generally overlooked because
    Liverpool front 3 bail the rest of the team out .
    Troy and Andre will not bail the team out with goals
    If you are a defender and you have no confidence in your strikers to score goals
    then that places you under immense pressure not to concede as you think "who will score if
    we concede?"
     
  35. dynamo380

    dynamo380 Reservist

    Exactly. I think Janmaat's a good player but he's injury prone, like you say he has issues with fitness and now he's 30 those issues are unlikely to get any better. We dont have the squad to carry players like that unfortunately and this season has shown that right back is a position we need to invest in.
     

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