And the new Manager will be?

Here's a thought.....had the Pozzo's not been quite so hasty, we probably had the best coach of the Pozzo era already employed.

Had Dyche stayed, would he still be the coach? Had he been successful, like he has been at Burnley, I doubt he would have ever been dismissed.

We'd have been a one manager/coach club and I think we'd have a completely different attitude from the media...…..and also Burnley would not be in the Premier League and we'd have not just been thumped at home by them.

 

It sounds a bit bitter, but I’d be horrified if we played football the way Burnley do. Fair play to them, they are relatively successful with it, but give me the glorious failure under a bloke like Zola any day of the week.

The same pretty much applies to QSF and his boring style of football, except we’re not even effective at the *********ry that make Burnley such an efficient unit.

 

It's all about results. Let's be honest, apart from the start last season, has the football Watford played ever been exciting? We tend to scrap for what we can get. There have been occasional games where we've played really well, but over all, this exciting football has never really existed.....certainly since we've been promoted.

I would take Dyche, and his so called bland football any day of the week, if it means continued Premier League football.

Had we not sacked him and he continued with the success he's had at Burnley, he'd be loved at Watford and would probably be the coach most revered behind only GT.

 

It’s a valid point about Dyche but I think we’ve played better football than he would have had us playing. We’re in all sorts of trouble now but it’s a long time since he was here and in fairness we’ve been pretty successful. Could he got a tune out of all those loan players that first season? I’m not sure they’re his type of players so not sure he would. Still not sure I would have him back. I hate the way he is on the sidelines, constantly complaining at the fourth official. Not for me

 

But my main point is, had he never left, the Watford fans would love him now.

No one would complain about a coach who would have got us promoted and kept us up, including your good self.

 

Confused a bit by the paragraph in the middle. Not to say it’s wrong because it’s all about opinion...

But it leads to a wider argument - boring, bland football but stay at the ‘Top’ ie. Premier League - or - more exciting ‘end to end’ stuff with lesser players but a definite step up on the entertainment-meter.
There’s no right or wrong answer, it’s personal choice.
I’m not sure I would accept bland football every week just in the pursuit of saying ‘we are PL’.

 

Dyche has been labelled as a bland style by others, but I would take that all day long. I don’t consider it bland at all. It’s very effective, based on strong team ethics. There is nothing wrong with that at all.

No matter how much we want to be something different, we are a Burnley type of club. In fact I consider Burnley to be the northern Watford such are the parallels between the clubs.

We cannot be pretentious or snobby about how we play. We need a winning formula regardless of how it is perceived.

 

Do you mean last season, or the season before under Silva? I thought that, briefly, was the most exciting period.

 

I agree with this, but it’s possible to have the strong team ethics you describe without the extremely cynical tactics Burnley employed yesterday. That’s the bit people wouldn’t want to see at our club.

 

Possibly true but would he have got us promoted to start with considering the players we had? You look at the Burnley players and it suits how he wants to play. I’m not sure that even had he stayed that first season he would be here now. I don’t think he suited the way we were heading at that point. Now is a totally different matter as they are mid table and we are bottom so of course you could say it would be different if we still had him. I would say that we’ve seen better football with a similar amount of success as Burnley since he left

 

I meant last season, but I do agree there was a brief period under Silva which was good also.

The trouble is this form was so fleeting that it cannot be considered more than just a good run of a few games, rather than any kind of style sustained over a period of time.

 

I did say had he achieved the same success with us as he has with Burnley. So in that scenario he would have got us promoted, and kept us in the the Prem.

 

WTF,

 

I think it's just a bananarumour.

 

The talk of Dyche is nonsense, it would never have worked. Dyche wants a big say on transfers, he likes traditional workman like English players (in the main) the total opposite of what our owners buy. This is how his style of play works because he gets to buy the players that suit it best. There is no saying he would’ve succeeded under our owners in the same way he has at Burnley with completely different players to those that he favours at his disposal... oh, and don’t forget he got them relegated once as well anyway... which up until this season hasn’t yet happened to us.

The choice really is Dyche and our old owners, vs no Dyche and our current owners.

 

I would

 

But he didn't keep Burnley in the Prem the first time around. So in this parallel universe where we follow the exact same path as Burnley under Dyche, he almost certainly gets sacked by Pozzo when we're relegated.

 

But my point was, I don't think he would have got us promoted with the players he was given so he wouldn't be here now

 

Which is pretty much verbatim what Dyche himself said at a TOTVL event.

 

That's fair enough if that's your belief. I think Dyche would have made it work, but I do agree he does need a certain type of player. The group we got when the Pozzo's took over where all of good character. I really liked the players we had back then, in terms of personality. They were a very good group, so this is why I believe it would have worked under Dyche.

Personally, I think Dyche was the best manager/coach the Pozzo's have ever had at Watford. It's a real skill to be able to stay a long time at a club and be successful. None of the coaches we've employed since Dyche have had this ability. They all start well but fade badly. The only exception to the rule was Joka.

 

Some English Managers in the P.L. have virtually teams of UK players ie Bournemouth, Sheffield United, Burnley with Brighton, Palace, and Villa having a few non GB and Newcastle similar to ourselves.

With the Pozzo network they believe a foreign manager gets more out of the mix we have than a British one!
We have to respect their belief, but it’s not working this season, however without them we would probably be talking about our next fixture away to Torquay in the National League so for the moment I shall take my hat off to them and say thank you!

NB Nurse where are you!

 

West Ham rumoured to be looking at Benitez.

Ffs get him in and back him in the January window. (not like he will want to come to us though)

 

Wasn't it stated that there was no break clause with QSF this time around?

Not sure we'd be willing to pay him a few million to do one when we did that already two months ago.

We should get behind him if he's staying. COYH!

 

I have asked Benitez directly if he would like to come to Watford. This is absolutely true. He was doing a Q&A with The Athletic about a month ago. He totally ignored my question, but answered everyone else's. That's a sure sign there's something in it.

 

A parallel universe would have to have different ownership if a manager is to keep his job at Watford for 7 years!

To be fair, financially the path to promotion was very similat both clubs, with relatively low budget for both player signings and wages; but Watford's owners threw £30m or so extra funding into Watford after promotion. Burnley's owners didn't. So Watford spent £64m on new players, Burnley spent £10m, in the bid to stay up in the first season back. It makes a difference. What would have happened if Dyche had stayed on is anybody's guess. A manager can be a perfect fit at one place and no use at all at another. Or Watford could have won the league. (Or Burnley could!) We'll never know.

 

How cynical is Dyche? Really? He would have been well aware that we didn't have a CB on the bench on Saturday and that if one of the three was 'crocked' then we'd either have to play a forced change of formation or a player out of position (Massina).

So, were Wood and Barnes instructed by Dyche to deliberately target one of our CBs (Dawson currently being our most competent). Does that level of cynicism actually go on?

They tried every other trick in the book persistently and all they got was a ticking off from Tierney and a couple of yellows. Make that a couple of reds on a regular basis and it would soon stop. Same with diving.

 

I don't see anyone keeping us up really, unless the Pozzos plan on spending big to rectify our problems in attack and defence in January - but even then it'd probably be too late and I doubt the Pozzos will do it anyway.

In which case, I don't know why there's a rush for us to change manager.

Anyone we should get in next should play the kind of attacking, progressive football that will get us out of the Championship, be willing to utilise younger players, and hopefully be at an age and stage of their careers where they could stay longer than just a few months. We should wait until the right candidate is obtainable, which probably won't be mid-season.

 

Durham on talksport is teasing there could be an announcement in the next 3 hours concerning a managerial change in the Premier League...

Probably Silva or Emery but you never know!

 

That would be quite Durham-esque to tease it being big news for a 'big' club only to reveal it was little old us and have the Arsenhole/Neverton fans slathering.

That being said, Moshiri-mouthpiece Jim White was declaring 'breaking' news on his Talksport show this morning that the Everton ownership was 'actively considering changing manager before the weekend', which seems like the most ludicrous idea of a piece of 'news' ever because a board 'considering' something is not news, and yet it's simultaneously basically impossible for said board to then keep the existing manager on once that 'news' has been publicly leaked/spoon-fed straight into the ear of a senior journalist/presenter (slash they obviously never intended to).

 

What about Joker's brief (and successful) spell?

 

Marco Giampaolo or Quique Setien or Chris Hughton according to the Standard

 

Give it Mullins til end of t'season

 

Can't see this anywhere, where did you find it?

 

Jim White is a mammoth uberc*nt.