Game of Thrones

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  1. fuzzy73

    fuzzy73 Squad Player

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  2. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    To me it went all The Walking Dead with character survival.

    Don't get me wrong I enjoyed it but it was just a bit of a let down. Apparently episode five is meant to be even bigger.
     
  3. Hornpete

    Hornpete Squad Player

    Episode 3 was an entertaining affair, I dont think the show could at this stage pull off anything that makes people say "wow, wasnt expecting that". Theres too much on twittersphere about it and too much reading into the book story about the prince that was promised etc. They couldn't possibly tie it all up in detail in 6 episodes.

    Its noticable theres not been a cliffhanger or shock at the end of an episode yet. They simply dont have time to piss around doing anything but rounding up the story. I would like to know wtf Brans story is though.
     
  4. Aberystwyth_Hornet

    Aberystwyth_Hornet Squad Player

  5. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    I agree.
    The battle plan was terrible. Sending the, lightly armoured, Dothraki to charge at the center of a limitless army is stupid. Why not use heavy artillery to throw flaming missiles at the undead. At least that would have made the enemy visible! Instead they launched these blindly towards there own soldiers. Also, why not have your best archers on the battlements? It was either very flawed, or the idea was to lull the Night King into a false sense of security. I hope that's not the end of the WW, because it was very anticlimactic.
     
  6. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    Some Feckers posted on a GOT forum a leak of tonight's ending.

    I currently hate the Internet lots.
     
  7. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Have any feckers on here posted the leaked Cup Final result?
     
  8. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    Not a great deal happened in that episode.

    Not a fan of the Brienne of Tarth and Jaime getting together story either.

    Why couldn't Danaerys have flown round behind the ships after they had missed and killed them all? I'm sure those weapons couldn't have turned 180 degrees and still fired without hitting sails.
     
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  9. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    It'll be leaking goals......
     
  10. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Exactly what I thought Norn o_O
     
  11. I reckon Arya will kill Jamie, take his face, and use it to kill Cerci

    Or maybe she will kill Drogon, take his face, and join a freak circus as a half human half dragon

    One of the two...
     
  12. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    Bang on.
     
  13. Great product placement from Starbucks
     
  14. Sting

    Sting Squad Player

    Me too.
    How do you post spoilers? I wanted to write something about yesterday but not to spoil t for anyone.
     
  15. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    Surely Dany us going to go full blown mental. Jon will kill her and use the last dragon which will fly to him instead of her. Jamie will kill Cersei and then himself and Tyrion will destroy the Iron Throne.
     
  16. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

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  17. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

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  18. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Don't see Jon riding Drogon if Dany dies unless the show is ignoring the established lore regarding dragon riders from the books. None of the Targaryen dragons would accept another rider after they took one; for example, Aegon the Conqueror may have ridden Balerion the Black Dread, but he couldn't ride Rhaenys or Visenya's dragons. Vhagar and Meraxes wouldn't let him, and would probably have killed him if he tried.

    Obviously the show didn't really address this, but it would be a significant change from the establish book lore if they let Jon become Drogon's rider permanently.

    It does look increasingly likely Dany is going to lose the plot, though. At the very least there's going to be a spot of burninating the countryside in the near future.
     
  19. reids

    reids First Team

    What happened to Tyrion? He jumped off the ship, surfaced then looked up and a beam was falling on him. Then all of a sudden he rocks up a couple of scenes later unhurt and doesn't say what happened to him. Weird.
     
  20. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Yeah, the pacing on that was a bit off.

    I think the narrative has suffered slightly by the loss of four episodes. They're having to heavily truncate story scenes and I think a lot of the nuance is lost. Obviously he got knocked out and rescued by someone; there is no way a mast landing on you doesn't render you unconscious. Why they didn't show Grey Worm dragging him to shore before searching for Missandei is beyond me.

    The Greyjoy ambush was also a bit weird. There's no realistic way that fleet wouldn't have been spotted on a clear day with aerial reconnaissance. They played it out as an ambush. Instead, they should have just had Dany spot them, go in for an attack alone (because why risk the fleet when the dragons can easily torch the enemy ships?) and then get rocked by the unexpected development of deck mounted scorpions. It wouldn't have changed the scene any, but the narrative sense would have been preserved.

    In fact, I think it would have made the scene better; audiences would have been anticipating a Greyjoy fleet burnin'. cheered the dragon charge, and then caught flatfooted by an unexpected Rhaegal kebob.

    As it is, the attack comes out of nowhere, doesn't achieve much other than a cheap jump moment as Dany romps around joyfully in the sky then suddenly gets shot at, and makes little narrative sense because there's no sensible way the enemy fleet wouldn't have been spotted.
     
  21. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    Yep the pacing is ridiculous. Euron is in and out of places like Doctor Who. Dany going into the front of an open space with about 100 unsullied too was strange. Maybe they forgot to cgi the rest of them. Only 2 left and so much to tie up it'll be a miracle if they pull it off.
     
  22. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    The show has just done a generally poor job of showing distance and time to travel. It would be pretty easy for Euron to get to Dragonstone and back to King's Landing before the face off at the city; the distance between King's Landing and Winterfell is hundreds and hundreds of miles. The North is about 700 miles top to bottom as I remember, which means it's completely reasonable that the Dragonstone ambush could have happened when it did. It would take a month to travel from Winterfell to King's Landing by land, easily. But the problem is they've never addressed these time skips so it looks like teleporting. Realistically, the events of E03 and the E04 battlements scene are probably 5+ weeks apart at minimum, likely at least 6.

    I suspect the limited numbers of Unsullied in the negotiating party was to avoid giving the impression of a surprise assault; it's enough to defend the leaders, but not enough to be any threat to the city. But again, they should have stated as such! So many of the objections people have had to events in these episodes could have been smoothed over with a bit more dialogue, showing the characters considered them.

    For example, the Winterfell crypts. Imagine if someone had said "do you think we should put the women and children in there? What if the Night King raises them?" and someone could have responded "there's nowhere else we can safely secure them all. It's a risk, but it's our only option unless we send them overland without an escort." Give the women a few weapons to defend themselves, look like you've considered it and there you go....much more interesting. But instead they tried to go for the SURPRISE! CRYPT UNDEAD! approach, which literally EVERYONE saw coming.

    A little more dialogue could have made sold what's happened so much more effectively. It's a little disappointing.
     
  23. Hornpete

    Hornpete Squad Player

    the problem with GOT is they have too little time to round up too much and its written atrociously by 6 year olds. The dragon death is so dumb. They would have seen the fleet of course, but why were they gamboling around the skies above KL in the first place. Any army would have sent scouts. Then why didnt the arrows hit the second dragon. If they can dodge them why run away? Where did they go after that? Why not flank them and burn them from the rear? Why didn't cersei kill the whole crew stood unarmed at the gates? Why didnt someone, anyone just ******* ask arya how she got through a hoard to jump up to the white king. WTF was the white king going to do with Bran? Game of chess?

    It's been the worst season yet
     
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  24. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    I did laugh when someone on a GOT forum said Greyworm was looking constipated in the end scene. The fact they managed to get Missandei so easily with no attempt to explain how made the episode go into Lost territory for credibility. So stupid to just tick off the big baddie last week, two dragons and an emotional couple of characters for Dany to then go over the edge. This is such basic writing.
     
  25. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    They actually did indirectly detail what happened to her, they just did a very bad job of fully explaining it. When the Greyjoy fleet came into the sight and Rhaegal got pincushioned, Grey Worm said something to the effect of "get in the skiff" (for those who don't know, that's a small boat). The clear implication was for Missandei to get off the boat because he saw a fight coming, but the line is somewhat throwaway and easy to miss amidst the ongoing action.

    A simple shot of Missandei being pushed out in a small boat before the scene change would have made it more obvious. Instead, they just have Grey Worm mention a skiff and don't actually show it.

    The implication is Missandei was put in the skiff and pushed away from the boat, then the carnage happened, and then Euron picked her up as she floated helplessly....but that's a LOT to expect people to connect on their own without it looking really jarring. It was poorly handled for sure.
     
  26. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    Not seen this weeks episode yet so desperately trying to avoid clicking the spoilers :confused:.
     
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  27. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Don’t click them. It’s an enjoyable episode that would be better unspoiled, albeit there are flaws with it. But you’ll enjoy it far more if you don’t read them.
     
  28. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    The dragons were originally sort of super weapons, but now we see they are barely an advantage. These Scorpions were clearly not a new invention, as Jerome Flynn had a pop with one during the attack after High Garden. It seems the Targaryens managed to dominate the whole of Westeros with cumbersome flying dartboards.

    Also I thought Rhaegon had been killed by the Night King's dragon during the confusion of Episode 3. It seemed weirdly a lot of effort to confirm he was alive and healing, only to get killed almost immediately and, as I say, in a manner which was relatively straightforward.

    The series has spent ages bigging up the unsullied, the dragons and the Dothraki, only to now just make them seem average.

    Also, we've had this goddesslike queen and her journey from traded meat to freer of Slavers Bay, to Queen and now we're having her turn into a spiteful brat in 2 episodes, to justify John Snow being King to fulfil a destiny.

    It's all a bit annoying and it's a shame that this has happened. The books would have allowed JRRM to untangle this at his leisure (if he ever got around to writing them) whilst this TV show seems to be cramming 3 series' worth of narrative into 1.

    I still feel cheated that the night king and all his followers were that easy to kill. Like, I get Arya is cool and all, but just a simple one two with the knife? Even Andre Grey would pull that off one time in 5. And It's fine that he dies and his zombies collapse, but what really was the point of his little cabal of followers if they just die when he does? They were pure makeweights.
     
  29. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    It's ****. Read them and save yourself 75 minutes.
     
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  30. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    I disagree with this point, but that's on the basis of being a book reader and understanding where GRRM is coming from based on his quotes. He's always been far more interested in the concept of people being the real villains, not fantasy monsters, and the question of what makes a good ruler:

    Knowing the above, it's not shocking to see the Night King fall and then the focus shift back to people. GRRM's story is following his above philosophy: what happens afterwards? That's what he's interested in.

    But aside from that, in real terms the living lost the battle. They were smashed. Sure, we can pick holes in the battle plan but it's ultimately irrelevant; it was hopeless no matter what they did. They were overwhelmed in less than an hour with zero prospect for victory, so the only way they could win the war was to kill the Night King who kept them all animated. I said as much to my wife when we were watching it.

    I've seen people criticise how this supposedly existential danger was destroyed in one night, but I think those people are missing the bigger picture: it couldn't have lasted more than one night because if it had, the defenders would all have been dead. The situation was beyond hopeless. Ironically, of course, all the NK had to do was not show up and he'd have achieved his goal. Hubris is clearly not strictly limited to the living.

    It's also worth noting that it wasn't just a simple case of stabbing that killed Night King. The reason he died is because Arya stabbed him in the heart with a Valyrian steel blade, right where the dragonglass that created him was embedded. She smashed the dragonglass and thus destroyed the magic animating him, which then destroyed those he had in turn animated. This outcome makes complete narrative sense given the rules established for both the NK's creation and what happens to the wights when their animator dies.

    The only way the NK wasn't dying there was if the defenders were able to push back the advance for days and prevent the keep from being breached. Obviously, there was no chance of this happening, even with a flawless battleplan.

    As it was, there were minutes from being completely wiped out with a dead Jon Snow and Dany among the victims. So I'm confused as to what some people were expecting, exactly; a sneak attack by the only trained assassin in the group was probably the ONLY way this could have ended given how events unfolded. They were hopelessly, unbelievably outclassed, outnumbered and outmatched. Simply put, they got lucky. It's the Watford-winning-the-FA-cup result.
     
  31. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Far too many dragons are dying. Only down to one now. I like dragons, and this senseless killing of them has to stop. In other updates, Missandrei loses her head, but it's going to be grafted onto Sean Bean's body in the next episode, so that should be worth watching and Daenerys lets her Starbucks coffee get cold.
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  32. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    Well I enjoyed that episode so much more than last weeks.
     
  33. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    I think Aiya posed as one of the Night Kings Lieutenants with her many face god skills, did you not notice one of them look around rather furtively just before she suddenly appeared and attacked the Night King.
     
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  34. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    Boooooooooooo spoiler
     
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  35. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    I know the episode in question aired over a week ago but try to use spoiler tags.
     

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