Transfer Talk & Suggestions

Discussion in 'The Transfer List' started by Burnsy, Apr 29, 2018.

  1. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Given our finances I think we will be a bit more thrifty. Assuming we lose Doucoure and keep the others:

    Sell Success and Okaka. Loan out Peneranda as last chance saloon. Bring in one striker or use Cucho, Lukebakio or Serbian bloke to complement Deeney, Gray, Delofeou.

    Buy Doucoure replacement. Develop Quina and Wilmot.

    Buy one centre back to go with Cathcart/Mapps/Kaba. Try to sell Prodl.

    Foster first choice. Dahlberg on loan. Bachman as backup and cup keeper.

    So for me CB and a CM plus maybe a striker depending on views on Cucho/Lukebakio/Serbian dude.
     
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  2. reids

    reids First Team

    Can't argue with this at all!
     
  3. At 21 Peneranda is in last chance saloon?Seriously? I mean WTF!

    A player is done at 21. That’s it. No chance to develop. Finished. Go and get a job in McDonalds. May as well shut down the U23 squad while you’re at it. We’ll save a fortune in coaching staff as clearly they aren’t needed.
     
  4. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Replacement for Doucoure is a must but we have to sell him first and much as I like him I don't think he's Champions League quality. I think Pereyra will leave in the summer so that will require a replacement. Britos is leaving and suspect Prodl will as well so we need one, probably two centre backs. Strikers are a little more difficult. Do we gamble on Cucho, Peneranda, and the Sebian kid to step up? Success looks bobbins but signed a 5 year deal at the start of this season so maybe difficult to offload. Hopefully Okaka has done enough at Udinese for them to buy him. Should hopefully see more of Quina and possibly Wilmot next season. We have the basis of a very decent side so not too much required but if we lost Doucoure, Pereyra and Delefeou than that may be more of an issue
     
  5. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Are you suggesting that Watford is a rural location?

    Whats does dude mean?
    Dude is American English slang for an individual, typically male. From the 1870s to the 1960s, dude primarily meant a person who dressed in an extremely fashionable manner (a dandy) or a conspicuous citified person who was visiting a rural location, a "city slicker".
     
  6. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Since leaving Granada in 2016 the guy has had 3 years and played only a handful of games poorly. He hasn’t been injured. Just sometimes” unfit” shall we say. And then the botched work permit scenario.

    Gracia rates Success a bette option which is somewhat alarming.

    If he gets loaned out, does nothing again and gets dropped by his new club I think we would be at the point where if you want to get any cash for him you’d need to sell him. Some club will remember him from 5 years ago and take a punt.

    Don’t worry. He won’t be in McDonalds.
     
  7. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Success signed a new 5 year contract this season? Ye gods!
     
  8. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Success and Penaranda are a waste of squad places. We need to get rid for a low fee and a healthy re-sale %.
    We will sell at least one of our stars and pick up a couple of cheap signings no-one has heard of to balance the books. Survival in the prem is the target, not cup glory and challenge for Euro qualification, which have only been in the frame due to Gracia over-delivering with what he has had at his disposal.
     
  9. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Gino has to hand out one a year or he feels like he's not doing his charitable work. Maybe next season it could be you?
     
  10. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    I think they very much are aiming for Europe and not just hoping to survive. Europe would help marketing and generate new fans and obviously money but they won't throw money at it and quite rightly.
    Success looks terrible and would not be sad to see him go. I hope we give Peneranda a chance of another year though
     
  11. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    They would love to qualify for Europe of course but we will remain close to the lowest spenders in the league based on payroll and transfer fees. This semi-successful season will give them the comfort to spend less without risking relegation rather than an incentive to borrow and spend more.
     
  12. He had an operation early in the season to correct a long term problem. If I recall it was a continuation of an injury that plagued him at Malaga where he was out for months, Malaga at one point were going to cancel the loan the injury looked season long.

    EDIT according to transfer markt he lost 151 days injured at Malaga, roughly 6 months.

    The botched work permit is not his fault, being moved from Spain to Italy before he had his 2 years required for the Spanish dual nationality then back to Spain again is not his fault.

    The club screwed up and he has lost a lot of coaching time. Hopefully under Javi he is and will continue to develop. Plain daft to write him off at 21 imo.

    Didn't Troy join Watford at 21, and scored only 3 times in 40 appearances in his first season?
     
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  13. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    I can see a few staying if we qualify for Europe. Milan have slipped out of the European places. Would Gerrard want to swap?
    Other wise the three Argies playing at Udinese are interesting. They will be selling as always, so why not keep the monies in house.
    Ignacio Pussetto. Winger of immense talent. Stronger, younger version of Roberto.
    Juan Musso 24 years old goalkeeper. On the verge of a national call up.
    Rodrigo De Paul highly fancied in Serie A. Being outshone by Pussetto at the mo. But real quality.
    Probably far to expensive but you never know.
     
  14. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Fair enough. I didn’t know about the Malaga injury. Nonetheless he also was fined for being late and missing training sessions. Whether his fault or not he’s missed 3 years of development for various reasons. Perhaps it is Watford’s fault but he needs to who signs of promise next season or he’s a write off in my book. 4 years of underperformance (in fact lack of activity) is a disaster if it carries into next season.
     
  15. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    It was a mistake bringing him to the UK this season given he's barely had a sniff of playing other than that game vs Woking. Gracia clearly doesn't think he's close. Needs to be loaned with a guarantee of game time.
     
  16. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Gino's got me on a 5 yearer..

    A flattering invitation for dinner at The Grove, 'no agents required', a discreet table to the side from which you could hear Denney but not see him.

    The perfect setting.

    Then over crepe suzette, Kaboom! Gino whips out his standard, Gulag grade contract & positively arm wrestles me to sign it.

    After 20,000 posts maybe an option to be the token Watford Fan on the Udi forum but I'll believe it when I see it.
     
  17. Javi on Peneranda earlier this year

    "He can play in different positions but I think he is a striker. He is a young player with a brilliant future. He has a lot of quality with the ball in possession and when using his body to play. He is a very good finisher who can score a lot of goals with his quality, but he needs to find rhythm and play.”

    Doesn't sound like the club are going to write him off any time soon.
     
  18. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    All very well Javi making platitudes but then having him nowhere near the team and behind woeful Success. I’d suggest actions speak louder than words. Time will tell.
     
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  19. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Squad Player

    I actually think we will end up selling Doucoure, Pereyra and Deulofeu in the summer.

    Mady Camara is being linked with a move to us as Doucoure’s replacement. Don’t know anything about him, so I googled him. My research found that someone sold him to Barca on FM 19 for £52mil. So I’m convinced he’s quality. Sign him up Gino.

    A minimum of 1 starting CB has to be priority. Still think Jake Cooper at Millwall could step up and do a good job in the Prem.

    With all the young talent we have at the club, I wouldn’t mind us spending a season giving them game time, even if it means us finishing 17th.

    Are we still bringing in that young Brazilian kid in the summer? I know originally it was meant to be Jan 2020 but thought I read somewhere that we were trying to move it forward.
     
  20. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    I don't think he move sooner due to FIFA rules. I'm pretty sure he has to be 18 when he moves. And he's not 18 until after the summer transfer window closes.
     
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  21. reids

    reids First Team

    Hands off, he's key to my set-piece plans next season!
     
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  22. Javi isn’t saying he’s ready he’s saying he’s a talented lad and a great prospect.

    Writing off a 21 year old is a bit silly whatever the scenario.

    Demanding a 21 year old is the finished article and either in the team or in the bin smacks of Verruca Salt.
     
  23. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    Assuming everyone stays, then even then we already quite clearly need:

    1 x LB
    2 x CB
    1 x RW (Potentially Lukebakio coming back)
    1 x ST (unless at least one of Cucho, Lukebakio, Penaranda prove good enough/stay with us)

    If we lose key players (Deulofeu, Doucoure, Pereyra - the early season version of him at least) then they will need replacing too, as well as what's above.

    What we'll actually get:

    1 x CM
     
  24. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    I guess if we do get good money for 2/3 key players there will be a greater pressure on the Pozzos etc to spend more money but not sure that would happen...
     
  25. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    He’s burned 3 years of his career for various reasons. I think that will have severely stunted his development. Maybe you’ll be proved correct but I think if he were to go on loan and fail again that would indicate that he’s not going to make it for us. I’m not saying we bin him today. If he has even a semi productive loan spell next year then great send him out again (if we are not going to play him). However if he burns yet another year then I’d focus on other prospects who have shown improvement.

    When do you cut someone? Not till they are 25 just in case it all comes together?
     
  26. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    If Javi knows he isn’t ready then why did he use up a squad space? Surely keeping useless Okaka would be preferable. I think Javi has become less enthused the more he gets to see him up close irrespective of what he says in the Watford Observer.
     
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  27. another_mrlizard

    another_mrlizard Squad Player

    Really? There's not much evidence in your last couple of posts.

    Do you reckon Pereyra is going to Torino????
     
  28. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Do you think Success should be offloaded if we get a decent offer out of interest?
     
  29. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    He can strike a ball that's for sure:





    Though as I posted before, I reckon we could do with another central midfielder anyway even if we kept Doucoure, as going another whole season with him and Capoue as our only real quality options for that position is too much of a risk.
     
  30. U21 so no squad space taken up
     
  31. Depends what you mean by decent offer. If it means an offer at or near their peak value then few of our players are indispensable imo, with the exception of Capoue who is the most important player in the team.
     
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  32. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Squad Player

    Have a word with him mate. Your first love is watford.
     
  33. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Squad Player

    A couple of excellent strikes.
     
  34. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Overseas? I thought U21 has home grown rules applied? I may be making a **** of myself with football manager post Brexit simulated rules.
     
  35. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    I’m thinking a cut loss 7m offer. Next stop on train is zero.
     

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